Would you vote for a person who smokes?

[jhale667]

That does seem odd. I mean, how would that impact one's ability to govern?!?! Plus, it's not like they're gonna come over and stink up MY upholstery, so who gives a shit?

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by jhale667
... who gives a shit?

We'll see!

[Ellyllions]

I guess it just goes to show how truly out of touch the wankers in DC are with the general public. The argument was that how can a Democrat who is a smoker honestly stand for better healthcare for the country.

What they don't understand is that the general public is getting a little wise about this whole smoking thing. Yes, it's a nasty habit. Yes, it causes incurable diseases. Yes, smokers utilize the healtcare system. BUT....when a person is admitted into an emergency room with a heart attack, breathing problems, and such the patient is asked a series of questions looking for possible causes. 9 times out of 10 if that person says, "I'm a smoker" the hospital administration stops there and reports the incident as a cigarette related illness. Doesn't matter if the person is 450 lbs, hasn't exercised in decades, eats a pound of bacon a day, or works in a coal mine. If they tell the Dr. that they smoke their incident gets added to a list that they use to prove that smoking is the cause.

It's a fad right now to be anit-smoking. And this pontiff was trying to make a case against Obama because he's a smoker. Even used the phrase, "The money shot" when talking about hopefully getting a photo of Obama smoking. Even went on to describe the scenerio by saying "in a dark alley behind a government building" to set the scene as a dark guilty act.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Here we are....the President all but admits that we're in BIG trouble in Iraq, the Congress is carrying on a "cold-shoulder" war, laborers are losing jobs in droves, and the baby boomers are hoping they have a Social Security check to look forward to and this fucker wants to convince the public that because Obama smokes he won't be a good candidate for President?

Call the presses, we're obviously in better shape than we think in this country if that's all we have to be concerned about.

[FORD]

I'm not so sure it's anti smoking as much as it is pro hypocrisy. Chimpy snorted coke, for fucks sake. And despite his claims of being "sober" since "meeting Jesus" at age 40, it's obvious to anyone who has any sort of experience dealing with alcoholics that the monkey boy is still drinking. Often. And smoking, for that matter.

But the holier than thou Republican twat bubbles (that's a great name for them BTW) would never question the morality of a Republican. Unless they're caught doing something "gay" like Mark Foley or the Colorado fundagelicals.

I've never smoked a cigarette in my life. Guess it's time for another President FORD??

[ULTRAMAN VH]

I could care less if someone smokes, and I really have mixed feelings about these witchhunt style smoking bans on bars and restaurants. I do not smoke, but I think it is wrong for the Government to tell citizens that they can't smoke in a bar or other public place of rest and relaxation. That is why they have designated smoking areas in restaurants. This is more BIG brother bullshit. I guess Obama will have to chat with Pelosi, because she just stated "The days of smoke filled rooms in the United States Capital are over".

[knuckleboner]

ok, to be honest, all other things being equal (which almost NEVER are), i do personally hold a slightly negative connotation towards smoking.

i think it's a stupid habit. i think that smokers today KNEW it was harmful and addictive when they first tried it, but they tried it anyways.

so do i think smokers are stupid...uh, no. but i DO think they made a stupid decision. and to some extent, i think they continue to make stupid decisions when they continue to smoke.

again, IF everything else was equal in my choice of two candidates (which of course, there NEVER will be such a situation), then yeah, i'd vote for the non-smoker. every time.


but two candidates are never otherwise equal. to me, actual issues are about 1 billion times more important then whether somebody smokes and their positions on the various issues will actually be the only thing driving my vote.


however, is using smoking as your main litmus test any more foolish than people using the abortion issue at local level elections (where it's never part of local governance) to determine who you vote for?

[FORD]

Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
I could care less if someone smokes, and I really have mixed feelings about these witchhunt style smoking bans on bars and restaurants. I do not smoke, but I think it is wrong for the Government to tell citizens that they can't smoke in a bar or other public place of rest and relaxation. That is why they have designated smoking areas in restaurants. This is more BIG brother bullshit.

Actually it's not. But I'll save that debate for another time.

I guess Obama will have to chat with Pelosi, because she just stated "The days of smoke filled rooms in the United States Capital are over".

I see Ultradouche took his FAUX One a Day Stupidity Vitamins this morning. "Smoke filled rooms" in this case is a political slang term for backroom deals and such, not a literal reference to an unhealthy work environment.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by FORD
"Smoke filled rooms" in this case is a political slang term for backroom deals and such, not a literal reference to an unhealthy work environment.

actually, it's literal. she banned smoking in the speaker's lobby:

cnn.com

[FORD]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
actually, it's literal. she banned smoking in the speaker's lobby:

cnn.com

Which, being the Speaker, she has every right to do. But that doesn't mean the previous quote wasn't also meant in the rhetorical sense.

[knuckleboner]

Re: Would you vote for a person who smokes?

Originally posted by FORD

Which, being the Speaker, she has every right to do. But that doesn't mean the previous quote wasn't also meant in the rhetorical sense.

touche'. a more open-doored congress would not be a bad thing...

[Lqskdiver]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Can you use it in a sentence like I did?


I think not.

My current contribution to this thread;

That twat's bubble burst when he thought he had a shot at getting laid.

Ehh!!

[Ellyllions]

nope.
incorrect syntax.

I'm smarter.

[Lqskdiver]

Damn...I was hoping you wouldn't catch that. Just prove's yer right.

Oh, well, still made the correction.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Originally posted by FORD
Actually it's not. But I'll save that debate for another time.



I see Ultradouche took his FAUX One a Day Stupidity Vitamins this morning. "Smoke filled rooms" in this case is a political slang term for backroom deals and such, not a literal reference to an unhealthy work environment.

WASHINGTON - Smokers may be one minority in Congress with even fewer rights than newly demoted Republicans. Now they are losing one of their last, cherished prerogatives — a smoke break in the ornate Speaker's Lobby just off the House floor.

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., announced a ban Wednesday, effective immediately.

"The days of smoke-filled rooms in the United States Capitol are over," Pelosi said. "Medical science has unquestionably established the dangerous effects of secondhand smoke, including an increased risk of cancer and respiratory diseases. I am a firm believer that Congress should lead by example."

Lawmakers will be free to light up in their own offices. But no longer can they mingle in the Speaker's Lobby in a haze of cigarette smoke during House votes, as they did just Tuesday night while passing anti-terrorism legislation.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio, is a heavy smoker, often found at the center of a group puffing away in a corner of the lobby. He had little to say Wednesday about Pelosi's move. Questioned at a news conference, Boehner described it as "fine." He did not elaborate.

Smoking is banned in most federal buildings. The District of Columbia recently barred it in public areas, as has Pelosi's home district of San Francisco and a few other cities.

So congressional smokers will be forced outside — onto the balcony off the Speaker's Lobby, perhaps.

"That's how life is now. They're banning smoking everywhere," said Rep. Devin Nunes (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif., an occasional smoker.

The scent of California GOP Rep. David Dreier (news, bio, voting record)'s cigars has filled the third floor of the Capitol, especially during visits from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. But Dreier took Pelosi's decision in stride.

"I like to have an occasional cigar in my office," Dreier said, but "she's the speaker of the House, she can make these kinds of decisions. ... No one wants to encourage smoking."

The news had not filtered to everyone early Wednesday. There were still ash trays in the Speaker's Lobby and around noon a House official sank into an armchair and lit a cigarette. Informed about the hours-old ban, he made his way to the balcony.

By the time the first House votes came in the late afternoon, the ash trays had disappeared.

"It was so bad I couldn't even come into the Speaker's Lobby," said Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record), one of the House's most vocal opponents of smoking, breathing deep to relish the clear air. "The whole place was quite polluted," said Waxman, D-Calif.

Capitol Hill smokers have seen their habitat shrink for more than a decade. In 1993, then-Speaker Tom Foley, D-Wash., banned smoking in hallways and other public areas. Last year, smoking was banned within 25 feet of the entrances to House office buildings.

Reminders of the days when tobacco was king remain throughout the Capitol.

Tobacco was a leading export of the early colonies and a mainstay of the economy well into the 20th century, a fact recognized in the tobacco-leaf motifs carved into the top of many of Capitol's columns.

Cigarettes can be purchased in a House store and are sold by the carton at a sundry shop underneath the Hart and Dirksen Senate office buildings where the phone is answered, "Hart tobacco shop."

There is no smoking in public areas near the Senate floor. New Jersey Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg (news, bio, voting record) is trying to get rid of cigarette sales at the tobacco shop.

https://www.ap.org

[blonddgirl777]

Originally posted by FORD
I'm not so sure it's anti smoking as much as it is pro hypocrisy...

Hypocrisy, yes... but also (and again) wanting a president that will not necessarely work for and represent the citizens as they are but "show a good exemple" by acting and being above human.

I think that Americans tend to chose a man for what he appears to be as a whole, more than strictly for what he can do for the country. Smoking and drinking are not illegal actions, just considered immoral by certain people. And immorality has to play a big role, when running for pres... people want "perfect"... at least on the surface...
That's what I call; LIVING IN AN UNREACHABLE BUBBLE!

We had a provincial prime minister that was always cheating on his wife, drinking and smoking heavily... and among many other great accomplishments, he is the one responsable for the *best public health care PLAN in this country... Many of our primes cheated on their wives (and lied about it) and we didn't care except for laughing at the whole thing... I'm not saying that we make better choices at election time, but at least, we don't consider private life and personal affairs when doing it!

I really hope that the American citizens will SHOW THE TWAT THAT no matter what they come up with to make Obama look inapropriate, it won't be taken into consideration, but his overall plans and intentions will...

Come on neighbors; SHOW THE TWAT THAT LIVING IN AN UNREACHABLE BUBBLE is not gonna happen this time!





*I am not debating how it all went wrong, when other parties took over and screwed it all up, after...





R.I.P. René, your cigarette kept you up for us... but unfortunately... put you down too soon!