On The Brink of the SOTU address....

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by FORD
It's all over the radio this morning that many people noticed Uncle Dick popping some pills during the speech. Even Chimpy sounds funny on Oxycontin. Just ask Limbaugh.

There was one shot that was looking in from the left side of the President. It was during a point when he'd said something very serious and one of those "applause breaks"...well in the camera shot you could see Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi. All three of them were laughing. When the camera in front was back on que, none of them were even so much as grinning.

Something damn funny was going on close to the front. I was beginning to wonder if there was a girl under Bush's podium.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
He STILL wants a fucking guest worker program.

FUCK THAT FUCKING SHIT!!


ROUND UP ALL THE GODDAMNED ILLEGAL ALIENS AND SHIP THEM BACK WHERE THEY FUCKING CAME FROM!!!!

not possible. there are, what, 10-20 million illegal aliens? 10 to 20 MILLION. logistically impossible to round everyone up and deport them. and a finanical nightmare. a) WAY too expensive to do. b) even if we were successful, it would wreck the economy (at least in the short term) as we lost millions, MILLIONS of hotel workers, hospital workers, restaurant workers, janitorial staff, etc.

the only real way to go is to have some sort of guest worker (amnesty by any other name) program. make it relatively simple to obtain a guest worker card; though you will have to begin paying a fee. but you have a limited time to apply. once you miss that time, there is no leniency; you will be deported as a criminal.

of course, amnesty is meaningless without actual border security. simply giving amnesty, like clinton, and then leaving the borders unattended is worthless. the problem will quickly reoccur.

but if you actually work to better secure the borders, then a...guest worker...program is probably in the best interest of Americans.

[Little Texan]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
There was one shot that was looking in from the left side of the President. It was during a point when he'd said something very serious and one of those "applause breaks"...well in the camera shot you could see Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi. All three of them were laughing. When the camera in front was back on que, none of them were even so much as grinning.

Something damn funny was going on close to the front. I was beginning to wonder if there was a girl under Bush's podium.

Naw, one or more of them had gas, and they were all having a farting contest during the speech! I saw Pelosi with a frown on her face a few times, so one of them must've been pretty ripe!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
not possible. there are, what, 10-20 million illegal aliens? 10 to 20 MILLION. logistically impossible to round everyone up and deport them. and a finanical nightmare. a) WAY too expensive to do. b) even if we were successful, it would wreck the economy (at least in the short term) as we lost millions, MILLIONS of hotel workers, hospital workers, restaurant workers, janitorial staff, etc.

the only real way to go is to have some sort of guest worker (amnesty by any other name) program. make it relatively simple to obtain a guest worker card; though you will have to begin paying a fee. but you have a limited time to apply. once you miss that time, there is no leniency; you will be deported as a criminal.

of course, amnesty is meaningless without actual border security. simply giving amnesty, like clinton, and then leaving the borders unattended is worthless. the problem will quickly reoccur.

but if you actually work to better secure the borders, then a...guest worker...program is probably in the best interest of Americans.

Exactly.

[VHrocks]

Here is the State Of The Union address in case you missed it:

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[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
not possible. there are, what, 10-20 million illegal aliens? 10 to 20 MILLION. logistically impossible to round everyone up and deport them. and a finanical nightmare. a) WAY too expensive to do. b) even if we were successful, it would wreck the economy (at least in the short term) as we lost millions, MILLIONS of hotel workers, hospital workers, restaurant workers, janitorial staff, etc.

the only real way to go is to have some sort of guest worker (amnesty by any other name) program. make it relatively simple to obtain a guest worker card; though you will have to begin paying a fee. but you have a limited time to apply. once you miss that time, there is no leniency; you will be deported as a criminal.

of course, amnesty is meaningless without actual border security. simply giving amnesty, like clinton, and then leaving the borders unattended is worthless. the problem will quickly reoccur.

but if you actually work to better secure the borders, then a...guest worker...program is probably in the best interest of Americans.

I can agree with this plan, but I don't want to see any "guest workers" gaining their citizenship before lawful immigrants. That would just SUCK.

[knuckleboner]

Originially posted by BigBadBrian
I can agree with this plan, but I don't want to see any "guest workers" gaining their citizenship before lawful immigrants. That would just SUCK.

i'm fine with that. make the guest worker program a different track. if it takes 10 years under a normal visa/green card to become eligible for citizenship, make the guest worker program take 15.

and while i don't want to kill them with the fees (primarily because at some point, if the fees are too high, they have the incentive to just take their chances on not registering and getting deported), i'd like to see if we can't at least set the amount at a level expected to cover the adminstration of the new guest worker program.


so let's get this thing done. you cosponsoring?...:D