Bush Admin Lying on Iran-Iraq Arms?

[Nickdfresh]

I didn't say they did have the same armor protection, they don't.

But the Saudi M-1s are pretty fucking good. Of course, there's a roadside bomb that can kill an American M-1, and Hezbollah used Iranian Sagger upgrades to kill Israeli Merkavas...

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
military nerdspeak

Maybe start with a glossary of terms and acronyms so's you don't step on your dick when you chime in.

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I didn't say they did have the same armor protection, they don't.

But the Saudi M-1s are pretty fucking good. Of course, there's a roadside bomb that can kill an American M-1, and Hezbollah used Iranian Sagger upgrades to kill Israeli Merkavas...

Disable,as in throw a track, yeah. Kill? The concussion can fuck you up and the tank still roll.But I get the point.

These upgrades that are coming(more than likely) Lebanon are the type of thing Darth is trying to pin on Iran. These whatever-they-are projectiles that can penetrate armored Humvees.
The same ones the ISF are using.
But like I said somewhere else around here I wouldn't look for much to come out of the new Cheney "intel".
Unless he has pictures of the Iranian Army rolling through Baghdad,he's just bumping his dentures-no one will belive him.

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The Sunnis are getting weapons (used against Americans) from the Saudis (your gas money at work)...

I use Citco!

[Hardrock69]

Neocon Iranian Mortar Ruse Fizzles
Sunday February 11th 2007, 3:37 pm


Is there something wrong with this picture?



“America today blamed Iran for the deaths of 170 US troops inside Iraq, accusing Teheran of supplying insurgents with increasingly sophisticated bombs,” reports the neocon-infested UK Telegraph, a trusty propaganda tool.

“Senior defense officials in Baghdad said that Iranian-supplied “explosively formed projectiles” were frequently being used against coalition forces” and “the ‘highest levels’ of Iran’s regime were responsible for giving them to Shia militias in Iraq.”

Although the Telegraph does not mention what particular Shi’a group would use the purported Iranian “explosively formed projectiles” against American troops, we must assume they are making reference to Muqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi army. In general, Shi’a militias are too busy killing Sunnis, and vice versa, although late last month the killing of five American soldiers at a supposedly secure U.S. facility in Karbala was blamed on “Iranian intelligence agents in conjunction with Iraq’s Shiite Mahdi Army militia,” according to the Examiner. For some unexplained reason these militant Shi’ites decided to dump the bodies of their victims in the town of Mahawil, a predominantly Sunni area.

But never mind. As the photo above supposedly demonstrates, the Pentagon has seized a number of 81mm mortar rounds, used as roadside bombs. “These bombs are specially designed to penetrate heavily armored military vehicles and are capable of crippling the US army’s main battle tank, the Abrams M1,” the Telegraph ominously reports, or rather reads from a Pentagon script. “They have killed 170 US troops since June 2004, according to the American officials. They added that some weapons have been captured and they bore the hallmarks of having been manufactured in Iran…. Many were made as recently as last year—ruling out the possibility that they could have been left over from the many arms caches scattered across Iraq by Saddam Hussein’s regime.”

Of course, as this is a sloppy neocon ruse, as per usual, there is a problem here. Can you guess what it is?

If you guessed the date, you win a Cupie doll. For some reason the geniuses at the Pentagon have failed to explain why the Iranians used a date from the Christian Gregorian calendar and not one from the Islamic Persian calendar. According to the Muslim calendar, the date stenciled on this mortar shell should read 1427, not 2006. And why did Iran, a country speaking and writing in Persian, a language written in a version of the Arabic script, decide to label their shells in English? Maybe they thought it would fool the infidels?

I’m not taking the bait. As usual, this attempt to frame Muslims stinks of neocon sloppiness. Once again, the neocons blow it. Not that it particularly matters, as most Americans are oblivious and, besides, millions of them still think Osama and Saddam are twin brothers.

http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=764

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Neocon Iranian Mortar Ruse Fizzles
Sunday February 11th 2007, 3:37 pm
Is there something wrong with this picture?


As the photo above supposedly demonstrates, the Pentagon has seized a number of 81mm mortar rounds, used as roadside bombs. “These bombs are specially designed to penetrate heavily armored military vehicles and are capable of crippling the US army’s main battle tank, the Abrams M1,” the Telegraph ominously reports, or rather reads from a Pentagon script. “They have killed 170 US troops since June 2004, according to the American officials. They added that some weapons have been captured and they bore the hallmarks of having been manufactured in Iran…. Many were made as recently as last year—ruling out the possibility that they could have been left over from the many arms caches scattered across Iraq by Saddam Hussein’s regime.”
Of course, as this is a sloppy neocon ruse, as per usual, there is a problem here. Can you guess what it is?
If you guessed the date, you win a Cupie doll. For some reason the geniuses at the Pentagon have failed to explain why the Iranians used a date from the Christian Gregorian calendar and not one from the Islamic Persian calendar. According to the Muslim calendar, the date stenciled on this mortar shell should read 1427, not 2006. And why did Iran, a country speaking and writing in Persian, a language written in a version of the Arabic script, decide to label their shells in English? Maybe they thought it would fool the infidels?http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=764

Good eye,Hardrocker. Let me expand on this one a little bit.
1)The 81mm round is used by US, Canadian, and British forces. the Iranians, IF they have an 81 mm mortar,would have had to copy it from Israel,and use western rounds. There is a Chinese 81mm, but I didn't see any chinese writing on those particular rounds.The mortar of choice for iran has been the 37mm marsh mortar,used on the soft ground during the 8 year war.
But let me get to the real reason this is all Bushit.
2)This round not only has a fuse(grey cone on top) so it could be fired directly from a mortar tube,it would make no sense to use an 81mm shell as a means to destroy vehicles when: it's an HE(high explosive) round,which could do some damage,but not to a hevily armored vehicle such as the M-1.The RPG rounds designed to penetrate reactive armor aren't always successful even with a direct hit,and they clock in at over 100mm.
And why use a perfectly good 81mm mortar round as an IED when there are literally tons of 152mm artillery shells that can be used with a remote homemade detonator? Which by the way is what they use lots of times.
This is going to go away faster than you can say "Scooter", 'cause this just doesn't hold water.

[Nickdfresh]

Interesting...

But remember the calibers (81mm) are tough to pin down in Iran, since they have a whole hodgepodge mix of US, Euro, and Asian weapons stockpiles...

In any case, any Iranian involvement is being seriously exaggerated here; this info is YEARS old!

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Interesting...

But remember the calibers (81mm) are tough to pin down in Iran, since they have a whole hodgepodge mix of US, Euro, and Asian weapons stockpiles...

In any case, any Iranian involvement is being seriously exaggerated here; this info is YEARS old!

ALLEGEDLY, we haven't sold arms to them since 79. With the heavy inventory of russian weapons they have, I seriously doubt an 81mm mortar. Besides, the proof is right there, Mar. 06. Hardly pinpoints anything. BTW, the equipment we sold them is so old,and has been so long since we dealt with them, they've figured out how to make replacement parts for our old shit on their own.
But this mortar round BS...?
"C'mon, Dick!"

[BITEYOASS]

That mortar round is BS! I know for a fact that a mortar round from any country does not have a nomenclature font in "Times new Roman" with that large a size of lettering. And why the fuck that round doesn't have any cyrillic or farsi letters stenciled or chemically etched with a UN number, is just beyond comprehension. I've worked on explosives whether ground or aviation for several years in the USMC and have seen russian explosives also. This is the biggest fake I've ever seen.

[FORD]

Originally posted by BITEYOASS
That mortar round is BS! I know for a fact that a mortar round from any country does not have a nomenclature font in "Times new Roman" with that large a size of lettering. And why the fuck that round doesn't have any cyrillic or farsi letters stenciled or chemically etched with a UN number, is just beyond comprehension. I've worked on explosives whether ground or aviation for several years in the USMC and have seen russian explosives also. This is the biggest fake I've ever seen.

You should pass this knowledge onto your congressman and let them know that the BCE is lying to them (again).

Maybe write some "letters to the editor" to your local media as well. Everything you say about languages and UN numbers makes perfect sense, but the 29% percent who still buy Chimpy's bullshit will probably still fall for it. Seeing the facts from a marine trained to identify explosives might shake the cobwebs loose in their skulls faster than a report from 60 Minutes would.

[BITEYOASS]

Besides that it is too polished. Any explosive manufactured has a rough paint coat to it that keeps it from shining.

[BITEYOASS]

And even if they are iranian rounds. Isn't it bushes fault for not making Iraq border security a top priority for this war in the first place. Of course he can't even get US border security solved, so I must be expecting too much. Seems that the chimp must under the notion of that free-trade NWO BS.

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by BITEYOASS
Besides that it is too polished. Any explosive manufactured has a rough paint coat to it that keeps it from shining.

It's not DoD,that's for sure. the lot # is missing.

If the colors are correct OD green Lt. Green markings, It's a smoke round.

It sure is..

[hideyoursheep]

Wish there was a closeup of the tip-

Iranians put their flag insignia relief there......

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