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  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14589

    Geffen Ignites Clinton-Obama Feud

    After re-entering the political circles with a star-studded fund-raiser for Barack Obama this week, it didn't take long for David Geffen to join the political fray.

    In fact, he became the central focus of the political news cycle on Wednesday. His sharp criticisms of Hillary Clinton and her husband in a New York Times column ignited a war of words between the campaigns of Obama and Clinton, bringing to a head long-simmering rivalries for donors between the two superstar presidential contenders. That's not to mention a longtime resentment Geffen has held against the Clintons since they left the White House in 2001.

    It also raised issues of just how responsible a campaign should be for the words that come from its donors, with the Clinton camp calling on Obama to return the money he helped raised at the Beverly Hilton fundraiser on Tuesday, a hefty sum of $1.3 million. Obama's campaign refused, and Obama himself said, "It's not clear to me why I am apologizing for someone else's remark."

    At issue is an interview that Geffen gave to Maureen Dowd, in which he characterized Hillary Clinton as a calculating figure who can't win and her husband as "a reckless guy."

    "Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease it's troubling," Geffen said, among other comments. He also confirmed that Steven Spielberg raised the Clintons' hackles when he agreed to co-host the Obama fundraiser and not also raise money for Hillary. He now plans to raise money for her campaign as well.

    And Geffen targeted Clinton for her 2002 vote to authorize President Bush to use force in Iraq.

    "It's not a very big thing to say, 'I made a mistake' on the war and typical of Hillary Clinton that she can't," Geffen told Dowd. "She's so advised by so many smart advisers who are covering every base. I think that America was better served when the candidates were chosen in smoke-filled rooms."

    Throughout much of the 1990s, Geffen was among the Clintons' closest donors. The President stayed at his place when he was in town, and Geffen in turn was given the privilege of overnighting in the Lincoln bedroom.

    But their close relationship soured by the end of Clinton's term, culminating in a fallout over Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich and denying one to Leonard Peltier, whom Geffen was pushing for release. Geffen has seldom spoke to the Clintons since, if at all, and largely removed himself from presidential politics until this year.

    "Marc Rich getting pardoned?" Geffen said. "An oil-profiteer expatriate who left the country rather than pay taxes of face justice? Yet another time when the Clintons were unwilling to stand for the things that they genuinely believed in."

    Clinton's spokesman, Howard Wolfson, fought back by trying to link Geffen's comments to that of Obama's campaign, and called on them to remove Geffen as an Obama campaign chair and to refute his comments.

    "By refusing to disavow the personal attacks from his biggest fundraiser against Senator Clinton and President Clinton, Senator Obama has called into serious question whether he really believes his own rhetoric. How can Senator Obama denounce the politics of slash and burn yesterday while his own campaign is espousing the politics of trash today?"

    Obama's campaign, however, was seemingly caught in the middle of a matter that they characterized as being between Geffen and the Clintons.

    "We aren't going to get in the middle of a disagreement between the Clintons and someone who was once one of their biggest supporters," said Obama's spokesman, Robert Gibbs. "It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when he was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom."

    In a statement, Geffen said later that, "Despite reports to the contrary, I am not the campaign finance chair and have no role in the Obama campaign, nor will I, other than to offer my strongest possible personal support for his candidacy."

    Hillary Clinton tried to stay above the fray, and was asked about it at a candidates forum in Carson City, Nevada. "I sure don't want Democrats of supporters of Democrats to be engaging in the politics of personal destruction." Obama was in Iowa campaigning and declined to participate.

    Clinton has long-standing ties to Hollywood, and a strong network of supporters and fund-raisers, but there has been much attention paid to the fact that she hasn't automatically won the backing of the vast majority of the industry. The irony is that the stinging comments came not from Republicans, but from a longtime, high-profile Democrat who knew her and her husband so well.

    To little surprise, some of Clinton's Hollywood supporters expressed dismay over Geffen's comments, and characterized them as the resentments of a powerful mogul who didn't get his way.

    But Obama's Hollywood supporters often cite their doubts about Hillary Clinton --- and whether she can come across as authentic --- as a reason they are backing Obama. As for the DreamWorks mogul's comments, one Obama Hollywood supporter called them "vintage" Geffen. He doesn't often grant on-the-record interviews, but when he does he is nothing short of outspoken.

    It's doubtful that the entire affair will last much beyond a day --- or that it will play much of a factor in either side raising money in Hollywood. Clinton is scheduled to visit Los Angeles today for a series of receptions with high-dollar donors including events hosted by Haim Saban, Sim Farar, Ron Burkle and John Emerson and another gathering at CAA.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.

  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59558

    #2
    Mr. Geffen was wise to distance himself from Hillary. She is no Democrat, and is not worthy of my party's nomination.
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • StretchOnBass
      Groupie
      • Oct 2006
      • 58

      #3
      The latest poll:
      Clinton 37.6%
      Obama 19.4%
      Edwards 10.2%
      Gore 11.2


      Obama is still unknown at this point.
      They don't make em like they used to.

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      • Warham
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Mar 2004
        • 14589

        #4
        Clinton's got the nomination in the bag.

        What exactly has he done in his political career? Can anyone here name ONE piece of legislation he's authored since he's been a politician, even going back to his days in the Illinois senate?

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        • Warham
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 14589

          #5
          FORD,

          Will you be voting for Ralph Nader next year?

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59558

            #6
            Originally posted by Warham
            FORD,

            Will you be voting for Ralph Nader next year?
            If a proper nominee doesn't materialize, I'll write in Howard Dean.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • Warham
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Mar 2004
              • 14589

              #7
              Howard Dean???

              Him again?

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59558

                #8
                He's a better candidate than anyone officially running at the moment. Just as he turned around the Democratic party, he would turn this country around for the better.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #9
                  He turned around the Democratic Party??? When did this happen?

                  Isn't anything less than winning the White House a disappointment?

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                  • hideyoursheep
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 6351

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warham
                    He turned around the Democratic Party??? When did this happen?

                    Isn't anything less than winning the White House a disappointment?

                    Well, look who has it.....

                    and look at what they've done with it.

                    How's about turning that around?

                    Thank God for the 2-term limit.

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                    • hideyoursheep
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6351

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Warham
                      What exactly has he done in his political career? Can anyone here name ONE piece of legislation he's authored since he's been a politician, even going back to his days in the Illinois senate?
                      Name for me 1 thing Dubyah has done successfully since 2000....

                      Or as Govenor of Texas....

                      What happened to that "political capital" he was going to spend?

                      Yes, he fucked that up,too.

                      Ought to be a short list.

                      Hell, I'll let you start from 1970.

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                      • Warham
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14589

                        #12
                        You first.

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                        • Guitar Shark
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7579

                          #13
                          It's a really sad state of affairs when the two "favored" Democratic nominees are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. America is not ready to vote for a woman president or a black president, and these are the two media darlings? SAD.
                          ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                          Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                          Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                          • hideyoursheep
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6351

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Warham
                            You first.
                            :D

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                            • hideyoursheep
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6351

                              #15
                              What's wrong with Chuck Hagle?

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