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Originally posted by studly hungwell I don't know dude...if the enemy percieves weakness we may be inviting more aggression. It's a shitty situation all around. I don't think it is wise to advertise such polar opinions between the congress and the president on this issue. A lot of bickering could be done behind the scenes. There will be no graceful exit from Iraq. We need to make sure it is a strong one.
We've already won.
We have accomplished what we set out to do....twice.
WMD's?....okay, there weren't any, next....
Saddam, his sons and the Baath Party?..Gone. Now what.
Originally posted by Nickdfresh I think he's talking about Somalia.
And we did do something...
Look, man....I don't know it all and apparently I am ignorant to the response in Somalia. This may sound shitty but it's not meant to be. If we did respond I am ignorant of it. Also, the campaign in the former Yugoslavia..,...Clinton took ground troops 'off the table'. Our fly boys weren't permitted to fly below 10,000 feet or so I gather. Could one assume that America will not tolerate casualties? Fuck that word....I hate that word. Deaths! Could one assume from the actions taken during these two conflicts that America would not tolerate the death of their soldiers? Know your enemy.
Originally posted by studly hungwell Look, man....I don't know it all and apparently I am ignorant to the response in Somalia.
It's not that you're "ignorant."
But there is speculation that the Warlord most responsible, Aidid, was mysteriously assassinated by sniper fire not long after the debacle of "Blackhawk Down."
Speculation runs rampant, but he was killed on the same day the operation's commanding US general retired, so.....
This may sound shitty but it's not meant to be. If we did respond I am ignorant of it. Also, the campaign in the former Yugoslavia..,...Clinton took ground troops 'off the table'. Our fly boys weren't permitted to fly below 10,000 feet or so I gather. Could one assume that America will not tolerate casualties? Fuck that word....I hate that word. Deaths! Could one assume from the actions taken during these two conflicts that America would not tolerate the death of their soldiers? Know your enemy.
I understand what you are getting at. This is a leftover from the Vietnam War, and largely driven by the 90's vintage military senior command (who were privates, lieutenants, and captains in Vietnam), not necessarily Clinton.
But I think the Iraq War debacle shows we are willing to take casualties and spend money (blood and treasure) when we feel threatened to the point of irrationality...
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