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  • Nickdfresh
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    • Oct 2004
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    Bush: Democrats Jeopardizing Service Members' Safety

    Bush: Democrats Jeopardizing Service Members' Safety
    President Says Democrats Using Spending Bill as Way to Oppose War


    By Bill Brubaker
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, April 7, 2007; 6:00 PM

    President Bush used his Easter weekend radio address to suggest that while Americans are "blessed" to have so many brave, volunteer military service members, congressional Democrats are jeopardizing their safety by delaying passage of a $100 billion war funding bill.

    "I recognize that Democrats are trying to show their current opposition to the war in Iraq," Bush said this morning. "They see the emergency war spending bill as a chance to make that statement. Yet for our men and women in uniform, this emergency war spending bill is not a political statement, it is a source of critical funding that has a direct impact on their daily lives."

    The House and Senate have approved the $100 billion Bush wants for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, today, Bush restated his vow to veto Senate and House versions of a spending bill that would set a deadline for U.S. forces to withdraw from Iraq, where more 3,200 Americans--and tens of thousands of Iraqis--have been killed over the past four years. Bush wants a bill that does not have a deadline for troop withdrawals.

    In response, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush and congressional Republicans to "stop trying to bully their way through this and work with Democrats to end the war."

    "It's time for the president to show respect to the American people, who voted overwhelmingly to leave Iraq," Dean in the Democrats' weekly radio address.

    A clear majority of Americans oppose the war, which has cost more than $300 billion so far. But Bush said the Democrats' delay in passing a bill with no troop pullout deadline will soon deprive U.S. military personnel of the equipment and training they need to do their jobs.

    "When Congress does not fund our troops on the front lines, our military is forced to make cuts in other areas to cover the shortfall," he said. " . . . By mid-April, the Army will be forced to consider cutting back on training, equipment repair, and quality of life initiatives for our Guard and Reserve forces . . .By mid-May, the problems grow even more acute."

    If funding for the war is delayed much longer, Bush said, "some of our military families could wait longer for their loved ones to return from the front lines. And others could see their loved ones headed back to war sooner than they need to."

    Dean said it is the Republicans who sent troops to Iraq without proper body armor, equipment or training.

    "Our military is now stretched to a breaking point," he said. "Just this week, the Army announced that they'll send large division units back to Iraq without giving them at least a year's rest at home, as the Pentagon standards require. Because our forces have been so badly depleted, the Pentagon just yesterday announced that they're deploying an additional 12,000 National Guard Reserves to Iraq."

    Early this week, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid endorsed the Senate's toughest antiwar bill yet--one that would set a March 31, 2008 deadline for completing the withdrawal of combat forces and ending most military spending in Iraq.

    Bush has repeatedly warned that Iraq will descend deeper into chaos if U.S. forces leave the country.

    "For our troops, the clock is ticking," he said today. " . . . We have our differences in Washington D.C., but our troops should not be caught in the middle. All who serve in elected office have a solemn responsibility to provide for our men and women in uniform. We need to put partisan politics aside, and do our duty to those who defend us."

    Dean, a former Vermont governor, said the Democrats' plan includes a phased redeployment of troops to bring most of them home, with some remaining in Iraq for counterterrorism operations and training Iraqi security forces.

    "We believe that we ought to refocus our military efforts on Afghanistan and on fighting terrorism," Dean said. "We've presented this plan to President Bush, but he stubbornly refuses even to discuss it. We intend to see that the troops get what they deserve and we will not give President Bush a blank check for a war without end."
  • FORD
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    • Jan 2004
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    #2
    Howard Dean is right.

    As usual
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    • studly hungwell
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      • Feb 2007
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      #3
      The human race is hopeless. This is Vietnam all over again. I hope these soldiers won't get spit on when they get home. Shameful.
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      • FORD
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        #4
        Originally posted by studly hungwell
        The human race is hopeless. This is Vietnam all over again. I hope these soldiers won't get spit on when they get home. Shameful.
        Been to Walter Reed lately?

        They ARE being spit on. By the same criminal bastards who sent them to Iraq for no reason in the first place.
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        • studly hungwell
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          • Feb 2007
          • 106

          #5
          Originally posted by FORD
          Been to Walter Reed lately?

          They ARE being spit on. By the same criminal bastards who sent them to Iraq for no reason in the first place.
          pretty predictable, dude. I meant in the literal sense....not metaphorically. HOpe my spelling is right....OD is a stickler for that.
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          • FORD
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            • Jan 2004
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            #6
            Well, there really is no literal sense, because this "Vietnam vets were spit on" is more a right wing myth than it is reality.


            JERRY LEMBCKE
            Debunking a spitting image

            By Jerry Lembcke | April 30, 2005

            STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It's hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

            What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where ''people were lined up to spit on us."

            Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith's lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops. There may have been exceptions, of course, but in those cases how would protesters have known in advance that a plane was being diverted to a civilian site? And even then, returnees would have been immediately bused to nearby military installations and processed for reassignment or discharge.

            The exaggerations in Smith's story are characteristic of those told by others. ''Most Vietnam veterans were spat on when we came back," he said. That's not true. A 1971 Harris poll conducted for the Veterans Administration found over 90 percent of Vietnam veterans reporting a friendly homecoming. Far from spitting on veterans, the antiwar movement welcomed them into its ranks and thousands of veterans joined the opposition to the war.

            The persistence of spat-upon Vietnam veteran stories suggests that they continue to fill a need in American culture. The image of spat-upon veterans is the icon through which many people remember the loss of the war, the centerpiece of a betrayal narrative that understands the war to have been lost because of treason on the home front. Jane Fonda's noisiest detractors insist she should have been prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, in conformity with the law of the land.

            But the psychological dimensions of the betrayal mentality are far more interesting than the legal. Betrayal is about fear, and the specter of self-betrayal is the hardest to dispel. The likelihood that the real danger to America lurks not outside but inside the gates is unsettling. The possibility that it was failure of masculinity itself, the meltdown of the core component of warrior culture, that cost the nation its victory in Vietnam has haunted us ever since.

            Many tellers of the spitting tales identify the culprits as girls, a curious quality to the stories that gives away their gendered subtext. Moreover, the spitting images that emerged a decade after the troops had come home from Vietnam are similar enough to the legends of defeated German soldiers defiled by women upon their return from World War I, and the rejection from women felt by French soldiers when they returned from their lost war in Indochina, to suggest something universal and troubling at work in their making. One can reject the presence of a collective subconscious in the projection of those anxieties, as many scholars would, but there is little comfort in the prospect that memories of group spit-ins, like Smith has, are just fantasies conjured in the imaginations of aging veterans.

            Remembering the war in Vietnam through the images of betrayal is dangerous because it rekindles the hope that wars like it, in countries where we are not welcomed, can be won. It disparages the reputation of those who opposed that war and intimidates a new generation of activists now finding the courage to resist Vietnam-type ventures in the 21st century.

            Today, on the 30th anniversary of the end of the war in Vietnam, new stories of spat-upon veterans appear faster than they can be challenged. Debunking them one by one is unlikely to slow their proliferation but, by contesting them where and when we can, we engage the historical record in a way that helps all of us remember that, in the end, soldiers and veterans joined with civilians to stop a war that should have never been fought.

            Jerry Lembcke, associate professor of sociology at Holy Cross College, is the author of ''The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam."


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            • studly hungwell
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              • Feb 2007
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              #7
              Originally posted by FORD
              Well, there really is no literal sense, because this "Vietnam vets were spit on" is more a right wing myth than it is reality.
              A right wing myth? Do you really want to debate the idea that their were large sections of the population that held the soldiers themselves responsible for the shit that happened in Vietnam? And, what's worse is these guys weren't a volunteer force. They were drafted...they had to go. Also, they stood in the shadows of their fathers and grandfathers who were showered with honor and respect for the wars they fought. Do you really believe the article you posted?
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              • FORD
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                #8
                Find me 100 vietnam vets who will say that happenned to them, and I'll take it seriously.

                And not members of "Swift Boat Liars For Bush", "Freak Republic", or any other such neocon propaganda cult.
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                • studly hungwell
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                  • Feb 2007
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Find me 100 vietnam vets who will say that happenned to them, and I'll take it seriously.

                  And not members of "Swift Boat Liars For Bush", "Freak Republic", or any other such neocon propaganda cult.

                  So, if I don't find 100 you won't believe it happened? What if it only happened to one guy? The slinging of spit is not really the issue here. It is that some of the population hated these guys that went to Vietnam. Will you at least accept that? And, if so, will you admit it was wrong to do so?
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                  • Nickdfresh
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                    • Oct 2004
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by studly hungwell
                    A right wing myth? Do you really want to debate the idea that their were large sections of the population that held the soldiers themselves responsible for the shit that happened in Vietnam? And, what's worse is these guys weren't a volunteer force. They were drafted...they had to go. Also, they stood in the shadows of their fathers and grandfathers who were showered with honor and respect for the wars they fought. Do you really believe the article you posted?
                    There's no question that a minority of the anti-War movement hated the GIs. But the majority regarded them as co-victims of a failed policy.

                    And I'd wager that for any vet that was spit upon, there was probably a vet that was harassed for "not winning" or not fighting well by a drunken idiot in a bar (yes I got that out of a Richard Pryor movie, but it probably has some basis in truth).

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                    • FORD
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                      • Jan 2004
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by studly hungwell
                      So, if I don't find 100 you won't believe it happened? What if it only happened to one guy? The slinging of spit is not really the issue here. It is that some of the population hated these guys that went to Vietnam. Will you at least accept that? And, if so, will you admit it was wrong to do so?
                      Of course that would be wrong. Especially given the fact that most of them were drafted.

                      But I believe this myth was created by the reich wing propaganda machine to harm the current anti-war movement, and was used specifically against John Kerry in 2004, even though he was a combat vet himself.
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                      • studly hungwell
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                        • Feb 2007
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        Of course that would be wrong. Especially given the fact that most of them were drafted.

                        But I believe this myth was created by the reich wing propaganda machine to harm the current anti-war movement, and was used specifically against John Kerry in 2004, even though he was a combat vet himself.
                        With all due respect, Ford...this isn't a new story or "myth". This has been accepted as truth since the early '70's.
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                        • FORD
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          There's no question that a minority of the anti-War movement hated the GIs. But the majority regarded them as co-victims of a failed policy.

                          And I'd wager that for any vet that was spit upon, there was probably a vet that was harassed for "not winning" or not fighting well by a drunken idiot in a bar (yes I got that out of a Richard Pryor movie, but it probably has some basis in truth).
                          Is that the same movie where he said his name was Jack Meoff?

                          Haven't seen that one in years.
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                          • FORD
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by studly hungwell
                            With all due respect, Ford...this isn't a new story or "myth". This has been accepted as truth since the early '70's.
                            Accepted as truth by WHOM?

                            Like the article posted above says, these stories didn't start circulating until the BCE was campaigning to take back the White House in 1980, and their propaganda machine has used it ever since.

                            Where were these stories in the 70's??

                            Like Nick said, I'm sure there was as much (if not more) stories of right wingers abusing the Vietnam vets for "not killing enough gooks" or whatever.
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                            • WACF
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Jan 2004
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                              #15
                              Does not matter if you're left or right...each end has more than it's fair share of idiots.

                              Each end has a lot of good people too...we just tend to notice the ass hats more.

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