Iraq war is 'lost': US Democrat leader

[sadaist]

...and they'll never be a Democratic Nation because of ethnic/tribal divisions.

I see a lot of that type of division right here in our own country.

[jhale667]

I see a lot of that type of division right here in our own country.

Not to the point where anyone's worried our next democratic election will be our LAST as they are with Iraq's.

[kwame k]

I'd love to hear the Mental Midgets explain in their own words why we invaded a sovereign nation.

[LoungeMachine]

I see a lot of that type of division right here in our own country.

Coincidently while we're "spreading democracy" to other nations, the theory of democracy is being diluted to nothing here at home......



Wonder when we're going to practice what we preach.....

[LoungeMachine]

I'd love to hear the Mental Midgets explain in their own words why we invaded a sovereign nation.

They'll tell you it's because 90% of other countries thought Saddam was a threat and had WMD's too....

We've heard their tired talking points countless times here.



Being a consevative means never having to admit you're wrong

[Bob_R]

[kwame k]

They'll tell you it's because 90% of other countries thought Saddam was a threat and had WMD's too....

We've heard their tired talking points countless times here.



Being a consevative means never having to admit you're wrong

I was baiting a trap for those guys......because if anyone says it was about overthrowing a Dictator who is killing innocent people in his country and because of human rights violations, I'd go all Darfur on their asses.

Then again, those countries that have experienced genocide over the last decade or so, had two strikes against them, as far as the right caring anything about them.

Strike one........no oil.
Strike two......they're black.

[jhale667]

I was baiting a trap for those guys......because if anyone says it was about overthrowing a Dictator who is killing innocent people in his country and because of human rights violations, I'd go all Darfur on their asses.

Then again, those countries that have experienced genocide over the last decade or so, had two strikes against them, as far as the right caring anything about them.

Strike one........no oil.
Strike two......they're black.

Exactly, exactly...and as for the invasion, the W. rationale "He tried ta kill mah daddy" is off the table too.

[kwame k]

Exactly, exactly...and as for the invasion, the W. rationale "He tried ta kill mah daddy" is off the table too.

So is the "it's about oil", too. Oil prices are higher today than they were.

Now if you want to use the war profiteer argument....well, look at how much Cheney's stock went up in Halliburton in just 2004-2005 when he was the VP.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) asserts that Cheney's options -- worth $241,498 a year ago -- are now valued at more than $8 million. The former CEO of the oil and gas services juggernaut, Cheney has pledged to give proceeds to charity.

What charity did that money go to? The Dickhead Anti-America fund.

[Bob_R]

Exactly, exactly...and as for the invasion, the W. rationale "He tried ta kill mah daddy" is off the table too.

Who cares that they tried to kill George Bush Sr.? Too bad they missed.

[Kristy]

2. In Iraq we have seen the rebirth of a nation. The “emergence of politics” in Iraq — including the willingness of its political leadership to engage in compromise; the Iraqis’ passion for democratic processes and willingness to set aside sectarianism; a free press; and the respect and legitimacy the Iraqi military has gained among its people — is unprecedented in the Arab world. But the successes there remain fragile and can still be undone. Iraq has proven to be treacherous terrain for foreign powers.

Successes my ass. All hail the Orwellian Newspeak. Catch phrases and hook & slogan journalism like "new era" and "rebirth" signals just how desperate Newspeak er, Newsweek is to sell their bird cage lining rag. How is Iraq "reborn"? By showing Goebbels-like propaganda pics of US Marines educating Iraqi school children to speak English? Never mind these children have no homes because Bush bombed the shit out of them and that Haliburton will rebuild the rubble for 5 times the actual material cost and labor. Oh, and I love the term "democratic process" - what does even mean in Iraq? For centuries different tribes of Muslim sects have been killing each other and that bitterness runs deep. No one there gives a damn about democracy as they do power and monopoly of land's resources which you know America is not going to let go of. Now, unless you count the word "democracy" as "puppet" in terms of a so-called government over there then yes, you have at least achieved a small victory.

Free press and a legitimate military? Or do you mean a controlled press with limited or no anti-American rhetoric and a army that is only recognized as long as it is supported and trained by US advisers? There is no "victory" in Iraq and there never will be - just more empty words given by inept journalists too afraid to do their job properly.

[BigBadBrian]

There is no "victory" in Iraq and there never will be - just more empty words given by inept journalists too afraid to do their job properly.

So we should just pack up and call it war? Just leave the place? Let them kill and destroy the crap out of each other?

What would you suggest?

[FORD]

So we should just pack up and call it war? Just leave the place? Let them kill and destroy the crap out of each other?

What would you suggest?

How about giving up the pretense that Iraq was ever a legitimate country in the first place, and let the Sunni/Shia/Kurd factions each have their own states.

And learn the lesson from it (as well as Yugoslavia) that you can't create a country out of thin air, made up of people who can't fucking stand each other, whether you're corporate imperialists or communist dictators, or (if you wanted to bring Israel & Palestine into it) religious wackos.

[LoungeMachine]

So we should just pack up and call it war? Just leave the place? Let them kill and destroy the crap out of each other?

What would you suggest?

No, we should stay forever, moron.

How about this?

We went in to topple saddam DONE [succeeded]

We went in to search for WMD's DONE [failed]

We went in to establish Governement and hold elections DONE [succeeded]

THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DO MILITARILY you fucking idiot.

Let the rest happen by the hands of the people. Let them fight, argue, revolt, and fix themselves, JUST LIKE WE DID 240 YEARS AGO



We are human targets, at a billion dollars a week, protecting oil interests in a country where we're no longer welcome

fuck you're stupid sometimes

[jhale667]

Careful, he'll tell himself you're "following" him...

No, we should stay forever, moron.

How about this?

We went in to topple saddam DONE [succeeded]

We went in to search for WMD's DONE [failed]

We went in to establish Governement and hold elections DONE [succeeded]

THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DO MILITARILY you fucking idiot.

Let the rest happen by the hands of the people. Let them fight, argue, revolt, and fix themselves, JUST LIKE WE DID 240 YEARS AGO



We are human targets, at a billion dollars a week, protecting oil interests in a country where we're no longer welcome

fuck you're stupid sometimes

"Sometimes"???