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[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Depends what you mean by a god.

The huge counter argument is that of complexity.

You've cuntfused me with someone making that argument.

If people have a problem with very simple cell like creatures becoming humans over vast periods of time, that's kind of nothing compared to an incredibly advanced being like a god just appearing one day and creating everything else.

What if it always existed?

If this god person does somehow appear out of nothing why would they then use a very gradual process like evolution to create life?

Maybe it's like a kid playing with his Acme Chemistry Set, and "billions of years" are the time is takes it to fart?

God just appeared from nothing but had limited powers which allowed him to start the big bang?

I've never said "God appeared from nothing."

I think the common conceptualization is that it always existed...

Did he just start the big bang or did that happen then he suddenly appeared hung around for a few billion years, start life from the primordial soup of preamino acids and then just fuck off?

I dunno. But Aristotle, the first real modern scientist, thought of a god as an "unmoved mover," something that must have logically existed to start the universe...

Though, he really doesn't spend much time on the subject though.

Perhaps he wasn't arrogant enough to think he had all of the answers deduced?

The theist thing doesn't really work either. It doesn't explain anything at all in any way.

Cheers!

Well, how the fuck would one "explain" God, and why would one even want too?

Unless your some organized religionist charlatan pretending to speak for it...

[Seshmeister]

There's a great irony in reading about 'creationism' on the internet of all places.

Computers are a classic example of evolution.

I'd like to ask some of these anti science people to explain how their PC works.

You start with a switch like a light bulb which is either on or off giving a 1 or 0. You then put these in a circut and you can get a NAND gate. You put a bunch of these together and you can do addition. You stick that in a box and build on it and on and on to the point where you have an assembly language which allows you to send instructions to these circuits and process data.

I apologise for not explaining it better but I've forgotten most of that stuff. Anyhoo you don't turn around and look at your PC and say 'that's so complex it must have just been created one day by some sort of magical omnipitant being because I haven't spent my life finding out how it works.' Bill Gates can send me to hell for using a Mac.

Same goes for the study of evolution or fossils.

The reason that people like Dawkins or Sam Harris or these people are bringing out books and doing a more aggresive atheist thing is because the fundie shit both from muslims and in the US is starting to get dangerous.

If you want to believe that there are pixies and fairies and so forth in your backyard then that's all cool and fun and makes you interestingly eccentric.

When you have people running the worlds only superpower basing decisions on that it becomes a problem for everyone on the planet.

Unless the Lynchburg 'University' and Falwell people are totally discredited then I fear the US is totally fucked.

Since you can't compete in labor cost terms with cheaper countries like India or SE Asia then you have to compete on science and a better educated workforce.

Having people being taught that the Earth is a few thousand years old when it was populated by talking snakes, bioscience is evil and that nothing really matters that much because there is shortly going to be a second coming where you all go up to heaven is not the way to go.

Cheers!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

What if it always existed?

But we know that out universe didn't always exist snce it can be aged by the movement of stellar matter from a central point 6 billion years ago or whatever.

This god guy always existed and then one day created the universe?

How can something always exist?

My point is all it does is replace really difficult questions with a much more difficult one.

Cheers!

[PlexiBrown]

This makes more sense than the crap religions dish out.

http://www.sethlearningcenter.org/

[Seshmeister]

He/She/It sounds like a bundle of laughs.

Forget the teachings of Seth and embrace Sesh the greatest spirtual teacher of the 21st century...:D

[FORD]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
This makes more sense than the crap religions dish out.

http://www.sethlearningcenter.org/

What a total Ramtha wannabe!

http://www.ramtha.com/

[PlexiBrown]

What a total Ramtha wannabe!

Never heard of Ramtha. Why do you know about Ramtha?

[PlexiBrown]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
But we know that out universe didn't always exist snce it can be aged by the movement of stellar matter from a central point 6 billion years ago or whatever.

This god guy always existed and then one day created the universe?

How can something always exist?

My point is all it does is replace really difficult questions with a much more difficult one.

Cheers!

Not only is all of this stranger than we think, it is stranger than we CAN think.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
There's a great irony in reading about 'creationism' on the internet of all places.

Computers are a classic example of evolution.

I'd like to ask some of these anti science people to explain how their PC works.

You start with a switch like a light bulb which is either on or off giving a 1 or 0. You then put these in a circut and you can get a NAND gate. You put a bunch of these together and you can do addition. You stick that in a box and build on it and on and on to the point where you have an assembly language which allows you to send instructions to these circuits and process data.

I apologise for not explaining it better but I've forgotten most of that stuff. Anyhoo you don't turn around and look at your PC and say 'that's so complex it must have just been created one day by some sort of magical omnipitant being because I haven't spent my life finding out how it works.' Bill Gates can send me to hell for using a Mac.

Same goes for the study of evolution or fossils.

The reason that people like Dawkins or Sam Harris or these people are bringing out books and doing a more aggresive atheist thing is because the fundie shit both from muslims and in the US is starting to get dangerous.

If you want to believe that there are pixies and fairies and so forth in your backyard then that's all cool and fun and makes you interestingly eccentric.

When you have people running the worlds only superpower basing decisions on that it becomes a problem for everyone on the planet.

Unless the Lynchburg 'University' and Falwell people are totally discredited then I fear the US is totally fucked.

Since you can't compete in labor cost terms with cheaper countries like India or SE Asia then you have to compete on science and a better educated workforce.

Having people being taught that the Earth is a few thousand years old when it was populated by talking snakes, bioscience is evil and that nothing really matters that much because there is shortly going to be a second coming where you all go up to heaven is not the way to go.

Cheers!

This is a genius post. Kudos. Finally someone with common sense accentuated by a healthy dose of reason.

Brilliant.

[FORD]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Never heard of Ramtha. Why do you know about Ramtha?

She's a local. Her mansion, school, and celebrity horse stables are located in the formerly small town of Yelm Washington, just a little bit east of Olympia. Her followers have been good for the Yelm economy, so that's why nobody's chased her away yet.

I've known a few "Ramsters" as her followers are called around here. They're decent people, but my opinion is that the woman is a complete fraud. Including the fake hair on her head.

[PlexiBrown]

I've known a few "Ramsters" as her followers are called around here. They're decent people, but my opinion is that the woman is a complete fraud. Including the fake hair on her head.

I am sure that you are right about her. Lots of "pretenders" out there. There are those who are the real deal however and I believe that Jane Roberts/Seth is. I have read all of her books and listened to the class sessions she held in the 70's at her home. To me there is Jane Roberts and then there are the the rip off artists and wannabee's.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
Not only is all of this stranger than we think, it is stranger than we CAN think.

Of course.

I don't have any answers.

I just strongly believe in not making shit up because I don't.

Another huge irony to me is that FORD famously came up with the phrase 'sheep' many years ago for Van Halen fans who followed any old shit that they were told.

I can think of someone else who alledgedly used that term a lot...

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
She's a local. Her mansion, school, and celebrity horse stables are located in the formerly small town of Yelm Washington, just a little bit east of Olympia. Her followers have been good for the Yelm economy, so that's why nobody's chased her away yet.

I've known a few "Ramsters" as her followers are called around here. They're decent people, but my opinion is that the woman is a complete fraud. Including the fake hair on her head.

I think the key word here is 'mansion'.

[Seshmeister]

I think that the New Age shit actually irritates me more than religious superstitions because firstly they don't have the excuse of the powerful force of childhood indoctrination but secondly it's less fun to argue against.

All you need to do is replace the word 'energy' with the word 'bullshit' and thats it.

Cheers!

[FORD]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I think the key word here is 'mansion'.

You should see the stables. Those horses live better than a lot of humans. Carpeted floors, chandeliers, etc.