6,558 terrorists & insurgents killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since January 1, 2006

[Sgt Schultz]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Since every Iraqi we kill pisses off another 10-20 Iraqis, I fail to see how the body count is really that great of a metric for our success. Especially considering we were there to defeat saddam's forces and liberate the Iraqi people.

Now we're supposed to be happy about how many Iraqis are killed?

Considering that these insurgents try to blend in to the population, how are we to know for sure which people that got blown to bits in an airstrike or cut to pieces with a 50mm were actually terrorists?

Sgt, your argument is spurious. It's clear that your debate prowess is suffering due to the utter failure of your president's initiatives.

OD I think you are one of the few "left-leaning" reasonable people here and I respect you. Using reason, logic, history etc. with others around here seems to be a waste of time.

The insurgent/terrorist body count is long overdue because all we are treated to every day is the American body count - which everyone accepts as accurate. If all you hear of is how many American soldiers are being killed in combat, while never hearing of any insurgent/terrorist KIAs year after year it's not surprising that people feel discouraged. This is exactly what the press and the left wants.

What we don't know is how many of the insurgents/terrorists killed are Iraqi. Sunni/Ba'athists, Sunnis targeting Shia, and Iraqis who have joined al Qaeda are all legitimate targets. We don't know what percentage are fighters coming in from many other countries.

There are sources out there that do count the Iraqi civilian deaths - but most of these are caused by terrorists - not Americans.

In just one article linked and used as a source (anyone out there actually read one?) they went into detail about how they knew the insurgents/terrorists were in a vehicle but they waited until the vehicle was away from a populated area before attacking them. There's no argument from me that civilians are being killed by Americans in the war. Compare the current civilian deaths to the civilian deaths in our "good" and "noble" war, WWII. There is no comparison.

Ever since the notorious Vietnam body counts (blood trails, drag marks etc) the U.S. Military, press, and public have been skeptical regarding body counts, with reason. However, this is no longer the case. Vastly differing terrain and the different nature of the conflicts Vietnam vs Iraq also mean that you cannot compare Vietnam body counts vs Iraq body counts.

The point of the original post - if we all trust the sources being used for US casualty figures then we should do the same for insurgent / terrorist KIA figures. The press has NOT been doing that for the entire war because it didn't fit with how they wanted to report the war - that being, in a negative light. Deaths on both sides should be reported, information should not be withheld.

[DrMaddVibe]

Rosie says its closer to 250,000.

frod believes him!

[Angel]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
the invaders are US, british and others. The insurgents are iraqis, saudis, syrian, IRANIANS, and other a-rabs

How many of those others were coerced into the "coalition of the 'willing'"? The insurgents wouldn't be there if the US hadn't gone in. Why is it okay for the US to have a multi-national force, but those fighting to get the invaders out of their country can't?

that's fine unless their problems involve housing or enabling international terrorists

Don't forget to mention that those terrorists got INTO Iraq in the first place because of the opportunity the US presented when they went in there!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
OD I think you are one of the few "left-leaning" reasonable people here and I respect you. Using reason, logic, history etc. with others around here seems to be a waste of time.

The insurgent/terrorist body count is long overdue because all we are treated to every day is the American body count - which everyone accepts as accurate. If all you hear of is how many American soldiers are being killed in combat, while never hearing of any insurgent/terrorist KIAs year after year it's not surprising that people feel discouraged. This is exactly what the press and the left wants.

What we don't know is how many of the insurgents/terrorists killed are Iraqi. Sunni/Ba'athists, Sunnis targeting Shia, and Iraqis who have joined al Qaeda are all legitimate targets. We don't know what percentage are fighters coming in from many other countries.

There are sources out there that do count the Iraqi civilian deaths - but most of these are caused by terrorists - not Americans.

In just one article linked and used as a source (anyone out there actually read one?) they went into detail about how they knew the insurgents/terrorists were in a vehicle but they waited until the vehicle was away from a populated area before attacking them. There's no argument from me that civilians are being killed by Americans in the war. Compare the current civilian deaths to the civilian deaths in our "good" and "noble" war, WWII. There is no comparison.

Ever since the notorious Vietnam body counts (blood trails, drag marks etc) the U.S. Military, press, and public have been skeptical regarding body counts, with reason. However, this is no longer the case. Vastly differing terrain and the different nature of the conflicts Vietnam vs Iraq also mean that you cannot compare Vietnam body counts vs Iraq body counts.

The point of the original post - if we all trust the sources being used for US casualty figures then we should do the same for insurgent / terrorist KIA figures. The press has NOT been doing that for the entire war because it didn't fit with how they wanted to report the war - that being, in a negative light. Deaths on both sides should be reported, information should not be withheld.

I respect you as well, even though you are a weird motherfucker.

I DON'T trust the US soldier body count. I'm not positive, and too lazy to check, but I'm pretty sure if you make it back to the central hospital, you don't count as a combat death. I know if you get to Germany and die on the operating table, it doesn't count.

And all deaths from accidents caused by riding around in helicopters and shooting mortars and what not don't count either.

There's gotta be at least 10,000 dead US soldiers, sailers, and Marines that have perished as a direct result of this clusterfuck, and that doesn't even count the US contractors.

I just can't get excited about killing Iraqi's who are fighting for their freedom. It's not their fault that they were ruled by a vicicous dictator. Judging by the demographics over there, few were alive before saddam consolidated power.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Angel
How many of those others were coerced into the "coalition of the 'willing'"? The insurgents wouldn't be there if the US hadn't gone in. Why is it okay for the US to have a multi-national force, but those fighting to get the invaders out of their country can't?



Don't forget to mention that those terrorists got INTO Iraq in the first place because of the opportunity the US presented when they went in there!

Who do you think you're typing to? Do you pay attention in here?

I'm just straightening out that viva chavez joker.

[DEMON CUNT]

"Sgt" Schultz is tossing out these numbers to show us just how "cost effective" he feels the occupation really is. This to him is some way to gauge the success of the occupation.

I love how he vilifies the very media that spent thousands of hours in air time to sell the "war" to dummies just like him.

Treating these figures like video game scores, as "Sgt" Schultz has here, displays the conservative's ability to callously politicize a pile of dead human bodies as a means to make one's point.

It's pathetic.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Rosie says its closer to 250,000.

The obsession continues.

[Angel]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
Who do you think you're typing to? Do you pay attention in here?

I'm just straightening out that viva chavez joker.

and I enjoy playing devils advocate :D

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by Satan
So......

6,558 "terrorists" (or, more accurately, Iraqis who want an occupying army out of THEIR country)

out of 650,000 civillians.

Hey, at least 1% of the people getting killed are the "right ones".

Are you just uninformed or just a blind liberal? Most of the "insurgents" are from other countries like Syria and Iran. The ones who come from Iraq are Sadam's old butt buddies who are now no longer allowed to oppress the other civilians and have to give up the power they once had.

Hey, if I was a psycho child molester like Mohammad or I believed that oppressing women and denying freedom of other religeons was my "God"'s will, or if I was so pussy hungry and a pedophile that I believed I was going to get to play with virgin cunts for eternity if I blew myself up, then I would be over there bombing our soldiers too....fortunately I actually have some common sense.

But you go right on ahead and defend these depraved lunatic bastards all you want, you fit right in with them.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
...
I love how he vilifies the very media that spent thousands of hours in air time to sell the "war" to dummies just like him.
...

Exactly! Where was the criticism when the media was essentially a big, embedded bunch of fucking cheerleaders as things were going well on the rush to Baghdad?

BTW, I've seen plenty of stories relating that we're killing more insurgents than they are our boys and girls.

But what is the fucking point of it? Is this still the same fraudulent that "we're fighting them over there instead of here" bullshit?

'Cause I'm pretty sure there were not Republican Guards divisions on the Rio Grande in the winter of 2002...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
Are you just uninformed or just a blind liberal? Most of the "insurgents" are from other countries like Syria and Iran.

Actually, TongueNAss, only SEVEN PERCENT of Iraqi insurgents are "foreign fighters."

Try reading a little more often, and beLIEving bullshitting pundits less...

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually, TongueNAss, only SEVEN PERCENT of Iraqi insurgents are "foreign fighters."

Try reading a little more often, and beLIEving bullshitting pundits less...

Well here is one article I managed to read that says 70% of insurgents captured are foriegn. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...ts-arabs_N.htm

Also, lets not forget where these insurgents wether foreign or Iraqi are getting their missles, guns and bullets etc.. Iran and Syria are playing major factors in this war.

[FORD]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
Iran and Syria are playing major factors in this war.

Says who?

The same fucking Likud Zionfascist pieces of shit who lied us into this war in the first place?

They have less credibility than Chimp himself.

"From the Nile to the Euphrates" is all that matters to those god damnable sons of treasonous bitches and they don't care about this country, only their own. Fucking deport every last one of those "dual citizenship" warmongering shitbags.

[Nickdfresh]

And an Iraqi "intelligence officer" said so, eh?

Um dude, US intelligence says that only 7% are non-Iraqi. Whatever...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/04/wirq04.xml

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1116-23.htm

and this:

From tomorrow's Washington Post

As for al-Qaeda: True, its Iraqi branch has established a stronghold in Anbar province, and trained fighters from Iraq are, predictably, returning to their home countries, hardened by combat and looking for blood. But thus far, the chief jihadist threat to the West continues to emanate from Pakistan, not Iraq. The proportion of foreign fighters in the insurgents' ranks is smaller than ever -- perhaps 10 percent of the total number of Sunni combatants. Moreover, al-Qaeda's Iraqi forces are already under pressure, not just from the United States but also from other Sunni leaders jealously guarding their own turf. And beyond all that, it's simply too late to stop jihadist blowback from Iraq, which will persist regardless of whether U.S. forces remain.

[Sgt Schultz]

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