Bush VA Hack QUITS over Abusive Treatment of Iraq Occupation Vets

[Angel]

Originally posted by WACF
I doubt Dem or Rep would of made a difference.

The reason I say that is because the the problem here is cost...nothing more hearltless than money and the lack of will to spend it where it should be.

The reason I figure it is not tied to left or right is because our government is usually left...and what they did to our forces and mostly our veterans is a disgrace.

Most Canadians do not know that during our "Peacekeeping" missions our snipers did one hell of a job killing whoever they needed too.
They also do not know that our troops fought short skirmishes and had numerous firefights...and we had troops injured in battle.
We even has some a death in Bosnia that were covered up as an accident.

Why....because our Liberal government had for decades robbed the forces of money and built a HUGE myth that we are peacekeepers.
The biggest part of the myth being that peacekeepers do not need good equipment or support...see our lack of air support and direct fire support capability(The later being fixed quite nicely thanks to the Leopard 2A6M entering our inventory).
Our Veterans that needed aid were generally not well taken care of...because we do not shoot people and people do not shoot at us.

The fact is our Liberals did not think Canadians could stomach the truth...so they lied.
*Angel...remember Art Engleton telling commons that Canadians have not fought trench warefare and running battles since Korea?
And this was only a few weeks after he was briefed on the battle of Medak Pocket!

I'm on a rant...fuck it!

Bottom line...left or right it does not matter...it all comes down to money!
And we all know the vets deserve better!

I remember it well... Knew a guy that was in Bosnia... and folks in the Gaza strip prior to that. Most Canadians don't even clue in that peacekeeping is dangerous work, and yes... involves combat at times. Hell, the majority of Canadians don't even clue in that peacekeepers are in war zones!

For the record: I have ALWAYS been against the lack of funding for the military. If I remember correctly, PC Brian Mulroney (yeah, I voted for the idiot!) promised a lot, but didn't deliver.

[Baby's On Fire]

Don't feel too bad. None of them ever fucking deliver.

They're all assholes and they should all be hung on the gallows alongside Bush and his criminal cronies.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Lots of Canadian soliders have been killed in Afghanistan too. But the World never hears it, because only Americna soldiers' lives matter.

Proportionately, it's quite possible more Canadian troops died in Afghanistan than American soldiers.

But nobody knows that, because our government is also run by a bunch of fucking assholes. And they put on these bullshit shows of mourning....if our government really cared, they would let the World know Canadians are also dying over there too. All in the name of the bullshit War on Terror.

I disagree with you on that one. Canadian military deaths make the news, each and every one. The US doesn't show coffins returning, etc. Harper TRIED to make it so that repatriation ceremonies weren't shown here, too. But the families of lost soldiers fought that one.

It's not our governments fault if non-Canadian media outlets don't pick up the stories.

[WACF]

Originally posted by Angel

If I remember correctly, PC Brian Mulroney (yeah, I voted for the idiot!) promised a lot, but didn't deliver.

Yes...I think his report was called the white paper.

Pretty much called for a complete updating.

The thing that is comical about him is that he sold off our fleet our Chinooks that the Tories are now replacing.
The Dutch took our old ones...rebuilt them and are currently flying our troops around on them.


I think if Mulroney had stuck around longer and not bailed the forces may of had a chance....but he kinda cut his own throat(Airbus scandle too...and that turned out to be part BS).
The media hated he was so close to Reagan...just look at the comparson's they make now.

Kim Champbell tried but she had her own ghosts and Jean cancelled everything the Tories had put in place.
Most notable is the EH-101 contract...yeah Jean really saved us money there the cocksucker! He should of gone to jail for killing those SkyKing pilots!

Just look at that fat fuck Denis Codere, he has already gone on record saying that we will not honour the C-17 contract...even with our first one showing up right away if the Libs win the next election.
He also wants the forces to go with the MGS versus the Leaport 2A6M and 2A4 purchase...the asshole thinks a 105mm wheeled gun can take on a tank!
He also wants to look at the Airbus cargo plane that yet does not exist instead of the Hercules...there are many Liberals I just hate...and I try not to hate anyone.

[Angel]

Thanks, WACF... I needed that reminder thrown in my face when my son is in the process of enlisting!

It's so fucking ridiculous what they did to such a great military!

[WACF]

Didn't mean to worry you!

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Gimme a break.

[Angel]

Originally posted by WACF
Didn't mean to worry you!

Not too worry, WACF. The kid (man) is an adrenalin junkie. He HAS to have a dangerous job, or he gets bored really fast. I figure repelling out of helicopters to fight forest fires is just as dangerous as what he'll face in the military. I'm used to it.

What I do worry about is PTSD, etc. Our government isn't much better than the US when it comes to taking proper care of our vets!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Like these candy-assed liberals actually care about our vets.

Gimme a break.

Typical


You can't comment or defend the last 6 years of VA "stewardship" under a Republican Controlled Congress and White House.....

But you can project your ignorance in the thread by insulting those who dare shine a light on your failings...

Too funny.

It must get harder and harder each day to call yourself a "conservative", eh Brie?


Thanks for the insightful debate you bring to these threads, you never let us down :D

[WACF]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Lots of Canadian soliders have been killed in Afghanistan too. But the World never hears it, because only Americna soldiers' lives matter.

Proportionately, it's quite possible more Canadian troops died in Afghanistan than American soldiers.

But nobody knows that, because our government is also run by a bunch of fucking assholes. And they put on these bullshit shows of mourning....if our government really cared, they would let the World know Canadians are also dying over there too. All in the name of the bullshit War on Terror.

You must have a shitty newsource.

Our government has been working hard for over a year now trying to get other countries to release their troops for combat.
There are so many caveats in place that the NATO force is almost usless.
Last year we pissed off the Germans so bad they walked out of a NATO meeting.

This deal has been in the works for awhile now:

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/237988

Coup for Canada if UAE joins Afghan mission

Jul 20, 2007 04:30 AM
Bruce Campion-Smith
OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA–The United Arab Emirates may send troops to work alongside Canadians in southern Afghanistan, sources say.

The move, which could come this fall, would mark a military and diplomatic coup for Canada, which had been urging the tiny Arab nation to contribute soldiers and equipment to the mission to put a "Muslim face" on the international coalition.

It comes at a time when Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been pressing nations to contribute more to help stabilize Afghanistan.

Canadian diplomats and defence officials made overtures to the UAE in January to get involved in the mission. Now a tentative plan is being discussed for the deployment of a small – but highly symbolic – UAE force to serve under the leadership of Canadian officials.

Officials at the UAE embassy in Ottawa declined to comment. However, a source confirmed the federal government is aware that a possible deployment is in the works by the small Arab nation, located along the southern shores of the Persian Gulf.

According to a defence department briefing note released in the spring, UAE signalled it was interested in contributing a "small tactical unit." The contribution could include four LeClerc main battle tanks, two platoons of armoured reconnaissance vehicles, two self-propelled 155-mm guns and a detachment of unmanned aerial vehicles, according to the note, released under access to information.

"The UAE is capable of bringing considerable financial support to development projects and would provide a Muslim face to International Security Assistance Force operations, providing a counterpoint to insurgent rhetoric," it said.

[WACF]

We are not the only ones complaining.

http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/070718/n071833A.html

.....Britain has complained its troops, along with those from the United States, Canada and the Netherlands, are the only NATO forces fighting the Taliban in the most violent areas of southern Afghanistan. Other NATO-contributing countries restrict the use of their forces to relatively peaceful areas in the north.

Spain, Italy, Germany and France have refused to send additional troops to Afghanistan.

[WACF]

So far this year there have been 83 combat fatalities, with 54 of them (65%) in Kandahar and Helmand.




The conclusion one could draw from this is that the Afghan fighting remains centred on two of the country's 34 provinces. A total of 15 provinces, containing 34% of the country's population, have had no NATO fatalities at all in the period evaluated here. (By contrast Kandahar and Helmand, the real war zone, contain between them about 8% of the national population.) Efforts by insurgent groups to broaden the conflict this year seem to be have had limited success, and their northern wing, which includes the unstable Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Taliban fighters based out of the Pakistan FATA area, may even be losing ground in the east of the country this year, in terms of their ability to strike at the NATO forces.

http://www.snappingturtle.net/flit/archives/2007_07_17.html#006224