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  • EAT MY ASSHOLE
    Veteran
    • Feb 2006
    • 1887

    Do You Feel A DRAFT In Here?

    RedBalls, start packing your bags...

    Restoring the Draft: No Panacea By MARK THOMPSON/WASHINGTON
    Sat Jul 21, 12:00 PM ET

    Even as there's talk inside the Pentagon of extending the troop surge in Iraq well into 2008, the U.S. military remains in a vise, crushed between the demands of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that have made recruiting more difficult. Right now, there are only two real ways to extend or even increase the surge: call up more reservists - always tough to do in an election year - or extend active-duty combat tours from the current morale-wrecking 15 months to an even more painful 18 months. But Marine General Peter Pace, outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs, reassured GIs in Afghanistan this week that 18-month combat tours are not, as has been rumored, in their future. "An 18-month tour has zero, zero, none, nada, squat, nothing, no validity, OK?" he said. "I want to make sure you got that."

    So then what about the third, most controversial option - is it time to reinstitute the draft? That option has a certain appeal as the Army fell short of its active-duty recruiting goal for June by about 15%. It is the second consecutive month the service's enlistment effort has slipped as public discontent grows over the war in Iraq.

    Bringing back mandatory service has been the refrain of many who want to put the brakes on the Iraq war; if every young man is suddenly a potential grunt on his way to Baghdad, the thinking goes, the war would end rather quickly. It's also an argument made by those who are uneasy that the burden of this war is being unfairly shouldered by the 1.4-million-strong U.S. military and no one else. But a new report from the Congressional Budget Office this week makes clear that resuming the draft would be no panacea.

    The report, requested by Rep. John Murtha, D-Penn., chairman of the defense subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee, says that drafting people could make it easier for the Army to reach its 2012 goal of 547,000 soldiers. It might also save some money if Congress opted to pay draftees less than volunteers. But the downside, the report claims, would be a less effective fighting force, thanks to a sudden influx of draftees who would remain in uniform for much shorter spells than today's all-volunteer soldiers.

    "Usually, greater accumulated knowledge and skills come with increased experience," the report notes. "Because most draftees leave after completing a two-year obligation, a draft might affect the services' ability to perform those functions efficiently." To maintain the same capability, the CBO suggests, the Army might have to grow, which could eliminate any savings. On the other hand, increased training costs for draftees - with less time in uniform, more have to be trained - could be offset by cuts in advertising and bonuses now used to entice volunteer recruits.

    The report says that while 91% of last year's recruits were high school graduates, only 80% of U.S. residents aged 18 to 24 have attained that level of education. And high-school graduates, the military says, make better soldiers than dropouts. The CBO, which does not make recommendations but only charts options for lawmakers, estimates that somewhere between 27,000 and 165,000 would be drafted each year. That relative small slice - some 2 million males turn 18 each year - could resurrect the problems seen in the Vietnam era when deferments and friendly draft boards kept some well-connected young men out of uniform. Under current law, women could not be drafted.

    If it doesn't make military or economic sense to launch the draft, what about the notion of fairness? Critics have claimed that minorities are over-represented in the all-volunteer military because they have fewer options in the civilian world. The CBO disputes that, saying that "members of the armed forces are racially and ethnically diverse." African Americans accounted for 13% of active-duty recruits in 2005, just under their 14% share of 17-to-49-year-olds in the overall U.S. population. And minorities are not being used as cannon fodder. "Data on fatalities indicate that minorities are not being killed [in Iraq and Afghanistan] at greater rates than their representation in the force," the study says. "Rather, fatalities of white service members have been higher than their representation in the force," in large part because whites are over-represented in the military's combat, as opposed to support, jobs.

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    If the surge continues - which, public sentiment as it is, I can't POSSIBLY see happening - then, regardless of the downside to this report, a draft is inevitable.
    RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49563

    #2
    You know, I was talking to a retired Sergeant Major that was drafted in the Vietnam era and decided to stay in the Army...

    He claimed that the US Army was much "better" during the draft era, prior to the late Vietnam War phase that is, because you had a cross section of people serving, many of whom were better educated than their officers. They did what they needed to do to get through their two-year service as opposed to the dregs that joined up prior to the early to mid-1980s. I recall hearing nightmare stories as far as drug use and criminal activity when I was in taking place from about 1970-1981 or so, when the Army began to clean itself up...

    In any case, it is also worth noting that as much as the high command states that they do not want a draft and like the professional all-volunteer military, the generals were decrying the abolition of the draft in 1973 as weakening the United States after Nixon dumped it to take the wind out of the anti-War/counterculture movements...
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 07-22-2007, 10:31 AM.

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      Draft the Bush Twins and this occupation would end tomorrow....
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • EAT MY ASSHOLE
        Veteran
        • Feb 2006
        • 1887

        #4
        Redballs, for someone who'll be on the first wave of inductees, you're awfully quiet (for a change) on this subject.

        Well? In the "WAR ON TERROR" do you believe the U.S. should do whatever it needs to take to win? Even if thiat first thing was....YOU?
        RIM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #5
          I'm not against a two year manditory military service period after high school. So many kids nowadays grow up in broken homes with no dicipline the military dicipline would save some of them that would otherwise go to prison for doing somehting stupid. Tag a GI bill with it that pays for college and I think a draft would be a good thing.

          Of course troops are troops and it's the responsibility of the Commander and Chief that our young people aren't missused. I think having an accross the board draft would make it politically unpopular to start wars and invasions like Iraq. Right now the govt. just treats the troops like a bunch of suckers but if sevral Senators, Congressmen, and even the President have children serving their time in the draft, they will think twice about sending them in harms way.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • hideyoursheep
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2007
            • 6351

            #6
            Everyone in this thread makes some good points.

            Limiting the draft to the "right out of high school" bunch is a bad move.

            Wars are not fought solely by childless husbands or 18 year olds.

            However, to end this occupation and clean out the yahoos and insurgents from Iraq, the heat needs to be turned up to 11, not just a few clicks.

            Right now, (there's that fucking gay phrase again) the Pentagon lacks the human resources to execute properly.

            Either we punt, or we take it to the house. Half-assing will not work.

            Has it so far?

            And we can start by reinstating that non-flying Guardsman motherfucker in the White House once he's evicted.

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