Fight Global Warming by Taxing

[TongueNGroove]

Rep. John Dingle (D-Mich) has proposed a bill that will FORCE everyone to pay .50 per gallon of gas more in taxes and take away tax deductions on home mortgages.

He says, "if we are serious about global warming, we need to reduce consumption by making it more expensive."

This is exactly the shit I am talking about when I call you democrats "Communists". Your answer to everything is TAX TAX TAX especially the "RICH" people who Democrats define as anyone who makes more than $45k a year.

Think about it, who is this tax going to hurt the most? It certainly won't hurt the real rich/well off people (who I define as those who make probably more than $200k a year) who have tons of disposable income. It certainly won't hurt the poor because poor people don't own homes and usually don't own cars. It is going to hurt the middle class people who usually own homes and cars, but do not have very much, if any, disposable income.


First of all, there has been no "real" proof that there even IS Global Warming! Secondly, there has never been any proof that if there is Global Warming that humans are the cause of it!

The Democratic mantra is, "You are dumbasses who cannot take care of your self, so I/We the Government will take care of you. We will provide everything for you and tell you what you can or cannot do, where you live, where you work, how much you make, what doctors you can see etc.." That people, is what is known as Communism!

Every time you vote Democratic you make this country more Communist...Just look at the policies Hillary Clinton proposes. People with no gumption to ever do anything with their lives LOVE Democrats..why? Because Democrats promise them everything with a million government programs to take care of all their needs.

How do they fund these programs though? Easy, they TAX The middle class and wealthy people (Who work their fucken asses off for everything they have) and hand it to losers who want the government to provide everything for them. The losers getting the money don't give a shit that the upper classes are getting completely and unfairly reamed by the government because it has never crossed their mind to ever try and be one of the upper class so they never have to worry about it!


Anyway, enough of the ranting, here is the article... I am sure you liberal types will defend it tooth and nail http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...20070810a.html

[Redballjets88]

that makes no sense. raise cost to make people stop usiing oil? Has he not bought gas in the past 7 years? It has raised multiple dollars and we aren't stopping. It's up the car companies to start producing better cars.

[FORD]

You want to know what reckless tax "cuts" have done to this country?

Try New Orleans. Minneapolis. That old steam pipe that blew up in Manhattan a few weeks ago.

That's what happens when the rich don't pay the taxes that they DO owe. And when some unelected Nazi piece of shit takes the money that's left and flushes it down a never ending shithole in the Middle East.

Now I don't know what the fuck removing the tax break on mortgages would accomplish, UNLESS it was deliberately limited to houses above the national "average" price.

As far as a gas tax goes, it should be applied selectively.

If you are driving an SUV within city limits and aren't near a freeway - in order words, if you're a SELFISH FUCKING SHIT FOR BRAINS using a gas hog for a single occupancy commuter vehicle - then you should pay more for gas. Enforcement problems?? Not at all.... You simply equip gas stations with scales, and if the weight is over the limit, you pay the extra tax.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
You want to know what reckless tax "cuts" have done to this country?

Try New Orleans. Minneapolis. That old steam pipe that blew up in Manhattan a few weeks ago.

That's what happens when the rich don't pay the taxes that they DO owe. And when some unelected Nazi piece of shit takes the money that's left and flushes it down a never ending shithole in the Middle East.

Now I don't know what the fuck removing the tax break on mortgages would accomplish, UNLESS it was deliberately limited to houses above the national "average" price.

As far as a gas tax goes, it should be applied selectively.

If you are driving an SUV within city limits and aren't near a freeway - in order words, if you're a SELFISH FUCKING SHIT FOR BRAINS using a gas hog for a single occupancy commuter vehicle - then you should pay more for gas. Enforcement problems?? Not at all.... You simply equip gas stations with scales, and if the weight is over the limit, you pay the extra tax.

they can't do that weight thing because what if that car is in fact used by multiple people on a daily basis then what do they do?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
they can't do that weight thing because what if that car is in fact used by multiple people on a daily basis then what do they do?

You register your carpool with the local government, they issue a permit card with a barcode on it, and the gas pump would read it and knock the price back down. Just like it does at Safeway when you scan your card at their gas pumps.

[thome]

I wonder if I sold some aborted fetuses they will include a tax break?
We could call it stemcell research.To compensate for these heros who believe Big Oil is ruining the world.

Because any retarded asshole knows and you all can Suk My Dik(political brainwashers by practicing a -pick play- on the week minded) the only way to reduce consuption is to stop procreation.

Anything else is a Goddamn lie.

The Dikk part does not apply to-ANY- Army Board posters.


FIGHT THE POWER!

[thome]

Here is another Pick Play.

The Rich do not ever skip on thier taxes, they are to closely watched by the tax assessors.

They thinly veil Tax BREAKS as UNPAID Taxes.To confuse the people they own.

To be Rich usually involves employing people.Or having large amounts of money, very hard to hide.

Once you employ one person then two, after four or five employees
you are very carefull of trying to squirt a buck out of Tax Man.

The majority of -skaters- is the middle//lower class with maybe one employee.

Theoretically if you employ even one person you are supposed to create 401k.Pay thier SSN etc.

Feeding these -Poor Minded- fools lies about the Rich is played-out by anyone with the ability to think for themselves.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
You register your carpool with the local government, they issue a permit card with a barcode on it, and the gas pump would read it and knock the price back down. Just like it does at Safeway when you scan your card at their gas pumps.

well FORD novel idea, but instead we could put the 100s of millions of dollars that would cost into other things that will be more effective at helping the enviroment.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
well FORD novel idea, but instead we could put the 100s of millions of dollars that would cost into other things that will be more effective at helping the enviroment.

Fair enough, but the subject of the thread was taxes. And if any taxes are to be created or increased for environmental reasons, then they should be progressive taxes, deliberately designed to hit those who abuse the environment most the hardest, and without loopholes, since the prime suspects would be the rich

[Nickdfresh]

People should pay a luxury, environmental user fee on SUVs, progressively based on how shitty the fucking mileage is...

And look at super-patriot Tongue bitch and moan about taxes, while the troops are getting shot at in Iraq to guarantee a supply of oil...

[TongueNGroove]

Originally posted by FORD
Fair enough, but the subject of the thread was taxes. And if any taxes are to be created or increased for environmental reasons, then they should be progressive taxes, deliberately designed to hit those who abuse the environment most the hardest, and without loopholes, since the prime suspects would be the rich

You are funny Fraud, and your logic "If I can even call it that" is severely flawed.

You bitch and moan about the oil companies because gas prices are high, then you condone an even higher has tax hike. Did you know that the combined Federal and Local Gas tax in New York is .62 cents of every gallon you buy? The average is .46 cents across the country. That was as of 2005, it is most likely higher now http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1054.html

Before I can continue this argument I need you to define a couple things.

Define "Rich". Is it anyone who makes more than you?

Define "SUV". One of my cars (Ford Escape) is technically an SUV, but it has a small 4 cylinder engine and is fairly small in size as well. I am sure a corvette or viper or any big engined sports car consumes more gas than that "SUV". Let's not forget Pickup trucks either. My Dodge Ram, for instance, has a Hemi in it and drinks gas like an alcoholic on government check day, but since it doesn't have the designation of "SUV" is it ok for me to drive?

Did you know that "Rich" people usually drive new cars that are more efficient and better for the environment than older cars?

Did you know that "Poor" people usually drive older cars that are more polluting?

Compare a 1983 FORD LTD car with a modern SUV and believe it or not, the 1983 car puts out more pollution!

Your poster boy for environmental protection happens to live in my state. Did you know his monthly electric usage is more than the average families usage for an entire year!?? That isn't even counting the natural gas usage. He justifies it all by buying "Carbon Credits"....So now if you’re rich enough you can use all the pollutants you want and then give some money to Greenpeace and you’re even right? Well Al Gore thinks so! http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_102512.asp

Did you know that Private jets use more fuel in an hour than most cars use in a whole year?? How many hours does Al Gore spend in jets each year? I couldn't find that, but I am sure it is a LOT!

You see Fraud, you like the other idiots are just being sold a bill of goods that has no merit. You are barking what they tell you and meanwhile they are using your fear against you to make MILLIONS...no, Dare I say BILLIONS of dollars!

You and those like you are just like the people in this video
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One day you will wake up.

[FORD]

Yeah, penn and teller.... two more losers who hopped aboard the Dennis Miller "sell my soul to the neo-fascists to extend my sorry ass career" train.

Some idiot on another board was even claiming those two assholes had claimed to "prove" that Oswald shot JFK.
I really couldn't give a flying fuck what a washed up Vegas magician and his boyfriend think about anything.

[TongueNGroove]

Sure...just gloss over everything else in the post. Whatever.

[thome]

Next time your water heater or furnace blows up or even if you want that new tile in your kitchen .

Go call someone to fix it then make him go back home because he brought it to your house in a 1 ton truck.

Ask him kindly to buy a Honda hybrid to haul the 500 pounds of
what you need, plus the 1000 pounds of tools it takes to do the work, you need.

Then when you ask if he is paid up on his SUV/Truck tax, he can say
"Yes,I have paid the 1000.00$ per year tax and because of the tax I added 1200.00$ to your bill and every other rich Green Fraud cont like you who is fukking the working class."

Democratic /Liberals and thier -I will save the world from people exactly like themselves,So confused in the head thay can't see it.

I would love to see some sacrifice,not accusation.

I loved when Green America plants a tree and they use 20,000 pounds
of Steel/ Diesel and 400 gallons of fuel to get the tree from point a to point b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k..

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by TongueNGroove
You are funny Fraud, and your logic "If I can even call it that" is severely flawed.

You bitch and moan about the oil companies because gas prices are high, then you condone an even higher has tax hike. Did you know that the combined Federal and Local Gas tax in New York is .62 cents of every gallon you buy? The average is .46 cents across the country. That was as of 2005, it is most likely higher now http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1054.html

Just like you "bitch and moan" about "commielibs" and Dems. So we should tax the fuck out of the oil companies? Oh wait, I forgot the administration you voted for is almost completely dominated by ex-oil execs.

Before I can continue this argument I need you to define a couple things.

Define "Rich". Is it anyone who makes more than you?

That's pretty easy really:

The Wealth Distribution

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 39.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2004).
From: USC.edu

Define "SUV". One of my cars (Ford Escape) is technically an SUV, but it has a small 4 cylinder engine and is fairly small in size as well. I am sure a corvette or viper or any big engined sports car consumes more gas than that "SUV". Let's not forget Pickup trucks either. My Dodge Ram, for instance, has a Hemi in it and drinks gas like an alcoholic on government check day, but since it doesn't have the designation of "SUV" is it ok for me to drive?

What's your point? Semnatics? How about vehicles that get below a certain MPG standard are considered gas-guzzlers and subject to an environmental penalty tax?

Did you know that "Rich" people usually drive new cars that are more efficient and better for the environment than older cars?

Did you know that "Poor" people usually drive older cars that are more polluting?

Maybe. So you're blaming "the poor" for global warming and more locally, smog?

Why not blame the conspiracy in the late 1940s to destroy public transportation in the United States?

Why not blame people with money that stifle environmental innovation by demanding expensive, superfluous "status symbols" over "green" tech. or even quality in many cases?

BTW, did you know that lower-middle class people are far more likely to drive fuel efficient small cars?

Compare a 1983 FORD LTD car with a modern SUV and believe it or not, the 1983 car puts out more pollution!

Maybe. But compare a Honda Civic or Accord that was been very well maintained and has had proper tune-ups (key) and you may find that it stands up very well to modern ULEVs.

Oh, and BTW, cars had better overall fuel economy in 1983 than they do today...

Your poster boy for environmental protection happens to live in my state. Did you know his monthly electric usage is more than the average families usage for an entire year!?? That isn't even counting the natural gas usage. He justifies it all by buying "Carbon Credits"....So now if you’re rich enough you can use all the pollutants you want and then give some money to Greenpeace and you’re even right? Well Al Gore thinks so! http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_102512.asp

No fool. He voluntarily pays a SELF-TAX that penalizes his use of more resources. Of course, this shit is completely exaggerated, and Gore mostly purchases "Green" power which is more expensive to begin with.

And BTW, this is just another advancement of the discredited "hypocrite" argument. It changes nothing regarding the facts of Global Warming...

Aren't you a hypocrite for supporting the War in Iraq, while not enlisting for it? Isn't Bush a hypocrite for not having his daughters enlist?

Did you know that Private jets use more fuel in an hour than most cars use in a whole year?? How many hours does Al Gore spend in jets each year? I couldn't find that, but I am sure it is a LOT!

Well, there's approximately one million times more cars than there are private jets, aren't there?

You're also eliminating side issues such as lubricants and fuel that gets out into the environment far more so from cars than they ever will from a jet at an airport...

You see Fraud, you like the other idiots are just being sold a bill of goods that has no merit. You are barking what they tell you and meanwhile they are using your fear against you to make MILLIONS...no, Dare I say BILLIONS of dollars!

LOL Says the dickhead that gets all of his "facts" from the oil & gas lobby..

You and those like you are just like the people in this video
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One day you will wake up.

Again, the typical "you people are all the same" pigeonholing mentality of the conservative assclown.

You're the enabler that is "asleep"..

BTW, Penn (or is it Teller) is an ardent Libertarian with his own form of "bullshit" to spew in the form of an unrealistic, and very self-serving, ideology...