Tonight's Bush Speech

[Warham]

It was a laugher.

38 countries helping us? What the fuck!

[Warham]

I'm getting ill...

[FORD]

Are there ANY other countries that still have troops in Iraq?

[Warham]

Britain has a few thousand, but I don't think anybody else is left. Maybe Australia has a few...

[FORD]

I thought the Brits went home?

[Warham]

They sent 500 home, I think. They closed up one of their bases.

[Ellyllions]

How much further will he go to be correct?

I can't agree with the likes of Moveon.org, but I'm not supporting this anymore either.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
How much further will he go to be correct?

I can't agree with the likes of Moveon.org, but I'm not supporting this anymore either.

What? No longer impressed by the President's determined and steely resolve? No longer impressed by his laser-like focus on the enemies of freedom and democracy?

Seriously, what do you mean by "likes of Moveon.org"? Why does that fringe site get so much mention?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
How much further will he go to be correct?

.

The term: Last man Standing comes to mind.

I honestly believe he'd sacrifice all 160,000 troops to prove the world he was right, and they were wrong.

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
What? No longer impressed by the President's determined and steely resolve? No longer impressed by his laser-like focus on the enemies of freedom and democracy?

Seriously, what do you mean by "likes of Moveon.org"? Why does that fringe site get so much mention?

A true sign of intelligence is when a person will change their mind.

When this became a civil war amongst the factions in Iraq, and it was clear some months ago, I posted that we should pull out. Either stand at the Iraqi borders to keep others from trying to take advantage of the instability and let them solve it, or come home and seal our borders. At this point, our soldiers are sitting in the middle of a boiling point that's not only dangerous but uncontrollable. Today isn't the first day of my shift in attitude.

But...what's going to happen with Iran worries me. But we can't solve that either, so there's nothing left to do.

I did, however, have an interesting conversation with a Green Beret this weekend who enlightened me on the aspects and planning that involves Syria that I swore not to share. But keep a weather eye on the horizon that you'll be hearing some news on Syria in the near future. And it won't be good news.

Moveon.org gets so much attention because they demand it. They do things like the latest shitty ad. I refuse to subscribe to anyone who uses sensationalism on either side. Rep or Dem.

Lounge, what bothers me most about his attitude with this is that I don't even think he sees those troops as human beings anymore. I believe that he's become displaced in his own mind and succumbed to the idea that this war isn't real. I know he's been over there lately but it completely behooves me as to why he's standing so firm on a plane of sand that's slipping from under him.

BTW, that Green Beret did say one thing that I will share which really set a fire under my ass. He said that those who don't support the war, don't support the troops.....

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
A true sign of intelligence is when a person will change their mind.

Well that line certainly speaks volumes about our pResident.

[Ellyllions]

Can I get an amen?!

So, the Petraeus hearings are still going on and the news cuts to the President. He'd called a meeting of the heads of both political parties to discuss the War in Iraq.

I'm thinking, "There you go George. You're watching what's happening, you are opening to the idea that it's time to do something ELSE..." Just a smidgen of hope with a dash of pride, but more relieved than anything.

Then he opens his mouth last night.
I thought, "Fuck."

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Ellyllions




Lounge, what bothers me most about his attitude with this is that I don't even think he sees those troops as human beings anymore.

anymore?

He's never treated them as anything but pawns and/or props.

His latest Anbar Photo-op proves my point.

He doesnt give a shit about any of them. Never has.

Neither did Rummy.

But then, sometimes you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.

If ELVIS is right, and there is a hell, I hope W gets his own little corner.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT


Seriously, what do you mean by "likes of Moveon.org"? Why does that fringe site get so much mention?

because, for whatever reason, they get a decent amount of press and oftentimes make it harder to have legitimate criticism of the administration as it can all get lumped together with the more radical and questionable complaints.

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
anymore?

He's never treated them as anything but pawns and/or props.

His latest Anbar Photo-op proves my point.

He doesnt give a shit about any of them. Never has.

Neither did Rummy.

But then, sometimes you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.

If ELVIS is right, and there is a hell, I hope W gets his own little corner.

Well, it's the General's jobs to treat troops like "assets" and not people.

At this point in this, the troops (assets) are surrounded, crippled, hog tied in the middle of a civil war that doesn't even involve them.

THAT's when the President needs to be the boss.


I stand by my earlier opinion that it's the Pentagon, the department of Defense and our intelligence agencies that have caused this to be the way it is. I'm now waiting for George to be the manager he's supposed to be.