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  • scamper
    Commando
    • May 2005
    • 1073

    #46
    Originally posted by WACF
    Our Healthcare is very expensive to every taxpayer....it is worth it though.
    That's why I'm against socializing healthcare, I don't want to have to pay for my neighbors. Most people that say they can't afford it aren't willing to get rid of their cell phones, cable, internet....the list goes on. It's all about prioritizing.

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    • WACF
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • Jan 2004
      • 2920

      #47
      Originally posted by scamper
      That's why I'm against socializing healthcare, I don't want to have to pay for my neighbors. Most people that say they can't afford it aren't willing to get rid of their cell phones, cable, internet....the list goes on. It's all about prioritizing.

      I hear what you are saying.

      I will respectfully disagree though.

      A simple accident can cause financial hardship if no healthcare is available...something completly out of your control.
      A sudden health condition...and it can go on and on.

      The truth is that not everyone is responsible enough or in many cases they are unable to pay for private insurance.
      And the fact is...can you really trust private insurance...they are there to make a buck...and you making a claim cuts into their bottom line.

      If a grown person wants to take a chance fine...but usually it is children that pay the price.

      I would rather be socailistic(and I am a Tory)...and know that everyone will have care...regardless that it costs me...than know that someone will go without...as a parent it really matters to me.


      The fact is too that some take advantage of our system and there are abuses...and that needs to be dealt with.
      Our system too needs to take advantage of more Private services that can aid in delivering healthcare...at a regulated cost to the government.
      Last edited by WACF; 09-26-2007, 12:39 PM.

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      • scamper
        Commando
        • May 2005
        • 1073

        #48
        Originally posted by WACF
        I hear what you are saying.

        I will respectfully disagree though.

        A simple accident can cause finacial hardship if no healthcare is available...something completly out of your control.
        A sudden health condition...and it can go on and on.

        The truth is that not everyone is responsible enough or in many cases they are unable to pay for private insurance.
        And the fact is...can you really trust private insurance...they are there to make a buck...and you making a claim cuts into their bottom line.

        If a grown person wants to take a chance fine...but usually it is children that pay the price.

        I would rather be socailistic(and I am a Tory)...and know that everyone will have care...regardless that it costs me...than know that someone will go without...as a parent it really matters to me.


        The fact is too that some take advantage of our system and there are abuses...and that needs to be dealt with.
        Our system too needs to take advantage of more Private services that can aid in delivering healthcare...at a regulated cost to the government.

        I agree that it would be nice to make sure everyone was taken care of, and I guess I'm not totally against that but I see it the government taking from my family when my wife and I worked hard to make sure they have every advantage. I feel the same way about inheratence tax that's money I earned and saved all my life for my family, the government shouldn't be able to touch it. It's already been taxed. Back to healthcare though, I'm not sure if I would trust the govenment to run it, look at everything else they touch.

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        • Baby's On Fire
          Veteran
          • May 2004
          • 1747

          #49
          Originally posted by Angel
          You're even dumber than I thought!



          Tourism is already hurting due to American's thinking they already need passports for driving over the border. I personally know of numerous productions planned here in SK, that have now been cancelled and will be filmed in the States, instead. The film industry is a HUGE employer in Saskatchewan, and it has definitely dropped more as our dollar increases.



          "The high dollar may make U.S.-made goods cheaper to buy in Canada and is a boon to Canadians travelling in the United States, especially cross-border shoppers and those looking to book winter vacations to Florida or Arizona. Those trips are suddenly much cheaper than they were a month ago.

          But the high loonie will continue to put pressure on domestic manufacturers trying to sell goods south of the border at a discount, some priced out of U.S. markets altogether.

          Manufacturers such as lumber exporters, who have little insulation from commodity prices as U.S. housing demand weakens, and automakers will be particularly hard-hit as the rising Canadian dollar makes exports less competitive.

          Tourism in Canada could also be affected, as travel here becomes more expensive to Americans - a drop that will likely ripple through the hospitality industry.

          Rubin estimates that the manufacturing sector could see as many as 100,000 more jobs shed over the next 12 or 15 months, calling it the "obvious" loser of the rising loonie.

          "It is getting crushed, no doubt about it - we lost a quarter million manufacturing jobs," he said."
          http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...usiness/loonie

          Yeah okay bitch. I'm dumb. So in your own educated words, explain to me how the high dollar hurts manufacturing. And don't post a link. I want YOU to explain it all in your simple language.

          Then I can show you what an ignorant fool you are. So get ready.

          As for your link, the loss of those manufacturing jobs has little in actuality to do with the rising dollar. Everyone loves a good excuse, but not real reasons. It's called passing the buck. Same way everyone blames NAFTA for job loss. It's a convenient excuse.

          As for the film industry in Saskatchewan....who gives a shit about SK? You're irrelvant in the Canadian GDP. You're a blip at best. Besides farming and welfare, there isn't much else of any significance in SK. You gotta be kidding me?
          Last edited by Baby's On Fire; 09-26-2007, 07:47 PM.

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          • Baby's On Fire
            Veteran
            • May 2004
            • 1747

            #50
            Originally posted by WACF
            You would think that since BOF's province's whole "Have" status is based on manufacturing this would not be a hard concept to realize.

            Ontario was shakey before...it will only get harder.

            I see a rise in interest rates to slow things down.

            Those big mortgages are going to get harder to take for some.
            It's not entirely based on manufacturing. Manufacturing has been an increasingly less significant market segment for a long time. Technology and finance is as significant if not more so than manufacturing.

            The 1980's ended a;most 20 years ago. The days of stable factory jobs are long gone. There is a fraction of manufacturing left, and it has nothing at all to do with our high dollar. It's begins with unions killing the profit margins, a LAZY workforce, declining quality of goods, global competition, and US tairiffs on our cheap goods (cheap when the doillar was LOW).....Angel is too "smart" to comprehend the tairiff issue offsetting our otherwise cheap goods sold in the USA.

            And so is Nicky for that matter. He's too busy babbling incoherently.

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            • Baby's On Fire
              Veteran
              • May 2004
              • 1747

              #51
              Originally posted by scamper
              That's why I'm against socializing healthcare, I don't want to have to pay for my neighbors. Most people that say they can't afford it aren't willing to get rid of their cell phones, cable, internet....the list goes on. It's all about prioritizing.
              The problem with our healthcare is not so much the "socialism", but the result of an absence of restrictions, conditions and priorities to moderate the across-the-board coverage.

              For example go to an emergency room with a broken arm, and some little kid with a mosquito bite will be rushed in before you. It's a joke.

              My mother works in an emergency admittance position, and it's unreal what gets treated as an "emergency". With NO restrictions on appropriate priority.

              The universal coverage is fantastic, but could be much improved with some organization and less waste.

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              • blonddgirl777
                ROCKSTAR

                • Mar 2005
                • 5805

                #52
                Socialized healthcare is a great ideal...

                Unfortunately, it's too easy to steel from the purse when it's whide open and unsupervised!

                That's the down side of socialism...
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                • WACF
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2920

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
                  As for the film industry in Saskatchewan....who gives a shit about SK? You're irrelvant in the Canadian GDP. You're a blip at best. Besides farming and welfare, there isn't much else of any significance in SK. You gotta be kidding me?
                  I give a shit about Sk...that is my home.

                  Farming and Welfare????

                  You gotta be kidding....We are a "Have" province based on resources...Oil, Gas, Uranium, Gold, Diamonds, Potash ect....and yes...some of the worlds finest Malting Barley, Wheat, Canola...

                  My province contributes to equilization payments for "Have Not" provinces so they can have comprable programs....

                  You really made a "Eastern Canadian" comment there....If BC, ALB and Sk seperated you Ontarians would be kissing Quebecs ass just to have someone to talk to...in hopes of getting a loan.
                  Last edited by WACF; 09-26-2007, 09:15 PM.

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                  • WACF
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2920

                    #54
                    Originally posted by blonddgirl777
                    Socialized healthcare is a great ideal...

                    Unfortunately, it's too easy to steel from the purse when it's whide open and unsupervised!

                    That's the down side of socialism...
                    It is a great ideal...it just needs to be regulated better.

                    For example...non refundable fee for "nuisance calls".
                    Last edited by WACF; 09-26-2007, 09:13 PM.

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                    • Baby's On Fire
                      Veteran
                      • May 2004
                      • 1747

                      #55
                      Originally posted by WACF
                      I give a shit about Sk...that is my home.

                      Farming and Welfare????

                      You gotta be kidding....We are a "Have" province based on resources...Oil, Gas, Uranium, Gold, Diamonds, Potash ect....and yes...some of the worlds finest Malting Barley, Wheat, Canola...

                      My province contributes to equilization payments for "Have Not" provinces so they can have comprable programs....

                      You really made a "Eastern Canadian" comment there....If BC, ALB and Sk seperated you Ontarians would be kissing Quebecs ass just to have someone to talk to...in hopes of getting a loan.

                      Well, points to you for sure.

                      But dude, Ontario is THE place to be for Canadian prosperity. C'mon now? Where are you coming up with this idea otherwise?

                      Sounds like a case of penis envy.

                      Without Ontario there is no Canadian economy. No offense to SK, but also don't flatter yourself. You're an addendum in the book. Ahead of the East Coast, but by no means a cornerstone of the Canadian economy. Except for oil (which is mostly in AB) most natural resources are in BC, ON and QC.

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                      • Baby's On Fire
                        Veteran
                        • May 2004
                        • 1747

                        #56
                        Originally posted by WACF
                        It is a great ideal...it just needs to be regulated better.

                        For example...non refundable fee for "nuisance calls".
                        That's a good idea.

                        Now all we need are some politicians who call it as it is and to grow balls and enact.

                        But then of course they'll be labelled something unflattering and not elected.

                        See my American friends, I have lots to crticize about Canada. Start a thread and unleash me.

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49563

                          #57
                          Somebody has to actually give a flying fuck what you think first...

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49563

                            #58
                            BTW, the the falling US dollar will make Canadian products much more expensive here and make US markets more attractive to Canadian consumers.

                            That's elementary economics taught in high schools, and I think Angel was in that class.

                            What's you're excuse, dumbass?

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                            • WACF
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2920

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
                              Well, points to you for sure.

                              But dude, Ontario is THE place to be for Canadian prosperity. C'mon now? Where are you coming up with this idea otherwise?

                              never stated otherwise...I just corrected your statement about farming and welfare...you clearly underestamate what the west has

                              Sounds like a case of penis envy.

                              Why brings dicks into it.....LOL

                              Without Ontario there is no Canadian economy. No offense to SK, but also don't flatter yourself. You're an addendum in the book. Ahead of the East Coast, but by no means a cornerstone of the Canadian economy. Except for oil (which is mostly in AB) most natural resources are in BC, ON and QC.

                              Without each province contributing there would be no workable Canada...just like if there was no strong economy in Alberta or Saskatchewan YOU would be paying for our social programs.
                              The NDP almost buried BC and they are climbing back up.
                              For the last few years Dalton has been lobbying hard to keep your "Have" status...Ontario is the powerhouse but you are feeling the pinch...like it or not you need us.
                              An example is undervalued cost Hydro power in the east...just make it look cheaper to keep transfer payments higher.
                              In my province we also buy Hydro power from Manitoba to help prop up their economy.
                              The fact is...as the worlds largest producer of Uranium...we should be processing it instead of shipping it to Ontario.
                              We also should build a couple of reactors and sell the power South and East...but we are Socialist here and while we can Mine Uranium we just can not use it....sigh....

                              So...I will not flatter myself...in turn do not kid yourself.

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                              • WACF
                                Crazy Ass Mofo
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 2920

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
                                That's a good idea.

                                Now all we need are some politicians who call it as it is and to grow balls and enact.

                                But then of course they'll be labelled something unflattering and not elected.

                                See my American friends, I have lots to crticize about Canada. Start a thread and unleash me.

                                The Conservatives have tried...but they get attacked and accused of having a "Hidden Agenda"....how is it that if it is "Hidden" the opposition always knows about it but never states what it is.

                                It will take time but the Government...Right or Left...will have to address it.
                                It can be done on a provincial level but that is election fodder every 4 years...I believe Alberta does pay a premium every year...Angel would know more on that.

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