Bhutto Assassinated

[Dan]

She Paid The Price,She Knew That Her Number Was Coming Up One Day.

Sad But True.

[letsrock]

So what, now just finish the rest of them off.

Good job CIA.

[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by FORD
Holy shit!
Did you get that?
Osama is DEAD and Bhutto announced it to the entire world.
Does that change anybody's perception of this situation?

Frost is about as into this interview as Larry King.

She could have told him she were the virgin Mary and he wouldn't
notice..skipped right over that little tidbit.

How is someone as associated with corruption in gov't this side of
Dick Chaney supposed to hold THAT kind of credibility?

What is her source on this intel?

Nice job, Dave.


BUT- should it be true, you'd better dump this thread before Big Brother finds it and "digs a hole" for us all!!:eek:

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Benazir Bhutto
Killed by the real Pakistan.

By Andrew C. McCarthy

A recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Pakistanis approve of Osama bin Laden.

Aspirants to the American presidency should hope to score so highly in the United States. In Pakistan, though, the al-Qaeda emir easily beat out that country’s current president, Pervez Musharraf, who polled at 38 percent.

President George Bush, the face of a campaign to bring democracy — or, at least, some form of sharia-lite that might pass for democracy — to the Islamic world, registered nine percent. Nine!

If you want to know what to make of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto’s murder today in Pakistan, ponder that.

There is the Pakistan of our fantasy. The burgeoning democracy in whose vanguard are judges and lawyers and human rights activists using the “rule of law” as a cudgel to bring down a military junta. In the fantasy, Bhutto, an attractive, American-educated socialist whose prominent family made common cause with Soviets and whose tenures were rife with corruption, was somehow the second coming of James Madison.

Then there is the real Pakistan: an enemy of the United States and the West.

The real Pakistan is a breeding ground of Islamic holy war where, for about half the population, the only thing more intolerable than Western democracy is the prospect of a faux democracy led by a woman — indeed, a product of feudal Pakistani privilege and secular Western breeding whose father, President Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, had been branded as an enemy of Islam by influential Muslim clerics in the early 1970s.

The real Pakistan is a place where the intelligence services are salted with Islamic fundamentalists: jihadist sympathizers who, during the 1980s, steered hundreds of millions in U.S. aid for the anti-Soviet mujahideen to the most anti-Western Afghan fighters — warlords like Gilbuddin Hekmatyar whose Arab allies included bin Laden and Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the stalwarts of today’s global jihad against America.

The real Pakistan is a place where the military, ineffective and half-hearted though it is in combating Islamic terror, is the thin line between today’s boiling pot and what tomorrow is more likely to be a jihadist nuclear power than a Western-style democracy.

In that real Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto’s murder is not shocking. There, it was a matter of when, not if.

It is the new way of warfare to proclaim that our quarrel is never with the heroic, struggling people of fill-in-the-blank country. No, we, of course, fight only the regime that oppresses them and frustrates their unquestionable desire for freedom and equality.

Pakistan just won’t cooperate with this noble narrative.

Whether we get round to admitting it or not, in Pakistan, our quarrel is with the people. Their struggle, literally, is jihad. For them, freedom would mean institutionalizing the tyranny of Islamic fundamentalism. They are the same people who, only a few weeks ago, tried to kill Benazir Bhutto on what was to be her triumphant return to prominence — the symbol, however dubious, of democracy’s promise. They are the same people who managed to kill her today. Today, no surfeit of Western media depicting angry lawyers railing about Musharraf — as if he were the problem — can camouflage that fact.

In Pakistan, it is the regime that propounds Western values, such as last year’s reform of oppressive, Sharia-based Hudood laws, which made rape virtually impossible to prosecute — a reform enacted despite furious fundamentalist rioting that was, shall we say, less well covered in the Western press. The regime, unreliable and at times infuriating, is our only friend. It is the only segment of Pakistani society capable of confronting militant Islam — though its vigor for doing so is too often sapped by its own share of jihadist sympathizers.

Yet, we’ve spent two months pining about its suppression of democracy — its instinct not further to empower the millions who hate us.

For the United States, the question is whether we learn nothing from repeated, inescapable lessons that placing democratization at the top of our foreign policy priorities is high-order folly.

The transformation from Islamic society to true democracy is a long-term project. It would take decades if it can happen at all. Meanwhile, our obsessive insistence on popular referenda is naturally strengthening — and legitimizing — the people who are popular: the jihadists. Popular elections have not reformed Hamas in Gaza or Hezbollah in Lebanon. Neither will they reform a place where Osama bin Laden wins popular opinion polls and where the would-be reformers are bombed and shot at until they die.

We don’t have the political will to fight the war on terror every place where jihadists work feverishly to kill Americans. And, given the refusal of the richest, most spendthrift government in American history to grow our military to an appropriate war footing, we may not have the resources to do it.

But we should at least stop fooling ourselves. Jihadists are not going to be wished away, rule-of-lawed into submission, or democratized out of existence. If you really want democracy and the rule of law in places like Pakistan, you need to kill the jihadists first. Or they’ll kill you, just like, today, they killed Benazir Bhutto.

— Andrew C. McCarthy directs the Center for Law & Counterterrorism at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.












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[ULTRAMAN VH]

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[hideyoursheep]

Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
A recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Pakistanis approve of Osama bin Laden.....

NOT A SUBSCRIBER TO NATIONAL REVIEW?

Since when does the right use information from the left?:p


1) Mushareff wants to be the Alpha Dog in Pak. He won't "step down", or share responsibility with some "elected" individual. He may very well
had been in on having Bhutto whacked. Indirectly involved.

2) He's in no position to serve 2 masters (Chimp or Al Qadea), so any sort of "promises" he makes to either are hollow. Preserving his status
as President is what he's worried about-that's why he needs that military link. He controlls that, he remains untouchable to both.

The Col.Kurtz of the mideast. He won't relinquish power to either one without a fight.

[Nickdfresh]

What about the 54% that don't?

What about the millions mourning her death?

Many of those Pakis that lvoe Bin Laden do so because they have a shitty existence of poverty and a complete lack of centralized gov't control, and their limited notion of democracy as one of institutionalized corruption...

[WACF]

I think Mushareff needed Bhutto...this hurts him too.

The whole Osama was murdered thing kinda comes out of nowhere...I find it odd nobody picked this up already...unless of course she has nothing to back it up.

Mushareff has been barely holding on for quite some time...he has been fighting on the Northern border and it has cost him...but at the same time you know much goes on that should not.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by WACF
I think Mushareff needed Bhutto...this hurts him too.
...

Maybe, but he no doubt viewed her as a rival as well...

[Nickdfresh]

Unrest spreading...

Bhutto Buried As Pakistan Unrest Spreads

By ASHRAF KHAN – 1 hour ago

GARHI KHUDA BAKHSH, Pakistan (AP) — Hundreds of thousands of mourners, weeping and chanting for justice, thronged the mausoleum of Pakistan's most famous political dynasty in a raw outpouring of grief for Benazir Bhutto. The government blamed al-Qaida and the Taliban for the assassination of the opposition leader, who was buried alongside her father.

Furious supporters, many of them blaming President Pervez Musharraf's government for the shooting and bombing attack on the former prime minister, rampaged through several cities in violence that left at least 23 dead less than two weeks before crucial elections.

Some wept, others chanted "Benazir is alive," as the plain wood coffin was placed beside the grave of her father in the vast, white marble mausoleum in southern Sindh province near the Bhuttos' ancestral home.

Thursday's attack on Bhutto plunged Pakistan into turmoil and badly damaged plans to restore democracy in this nuclear-armed nation, a key U.S. ally in the war on terror.

Musharraf initially blamed her death on unnamed Islamic militants, but Interior Minister Hamid Nawaz told The Associated Press on Friday that "we have the evidence that al-Qaida and the Taliban were behind the suicide attack on Benazir Bhutto."

He said investigators had resolved the "whole mystery" behind the opposition leader's killing and would give details at press conference later Friday.

Bhutto's supporters ransacked banks, waged shootouts with police and burned trains and stations in a spasm of violence less than two weeks before parliamentary elections.

Soldiers patrolled the streets of the southern cities of Hyderabad and Karachi in an effort to quell violence, witnesses said. At least 23 people were killed in unrest, said Ghulam Mohammed Mohtaram, home secretary for Sindh province.

Prime Minister Mohammedmian Soomro said the government had no immediate plans to postpone Jan. 8 parliamentary elections, despite the growing chaos and a top opposition leader's decision to boycott the poll.

"Right now the elections stand where they were," he told a news conference. "We will consult all the political parties to take any decision about it."

Mourners traveled to Garhi Khuda Bakhsh by tractor, bus, car and jeep. Many crammed inside the mausoleum and threw petals on the coffin. Women beat their heads and chests in grief.

"As long as the moon and sun are alive, so is the name of Bhutto," they chanted.

An Islamic cleric led mourners in prayers and Bhutto's son, Bilawal, and her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, helped lower the coffin beside the grave of her father, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, also a popular former prime minister who met a violent death. Thousands of supporters then filed in to shovel dirt onto the grave.

Some mourners angrily blamed Musharraf, the former army chief, for Bhutto's death, shouting "General, killer!" "Army, killer."

The death of the 54-year-old Bhutto left her party without a clear successor. Her husband, who was freed in December 2004 after eight years in detention on graft charges, is one contender to head the party, although he lacks the cachet of a blood relative.

"I don't know what will happen to the country now," said Nazakat Soomro, 32.

Bhutto's funeral procession began at her ancestral residence in the southern town of Naudero. Her plain wood coffin, draped in the red, green and black flag of her Pakistan People's Party, was carried in a white ambulance toward the marble mausoleum, about three miles away, passing a burning passenger train on the way.

Violence roared through much of the country. A mob in Karachi looted at least three banks and set them on fire, and engaged in a shootout with police that left three officers wounded, police said.

About 7,000 people in the central city of Multan ransacked seven banks and a gas station and threw stones at police, who responded with tear gas. In the capital, Islamabad, about 100 protesters burned tires in a commercial district.

Paramilitary rangers were given the authority to use live fire against rioters in southern Pakistan, said Maj. Asad Ali, the rangers' spokesman.

"We have orders to shoot on sight," he said.

Army soldiers patrolled the streets of Hyderabad and Karachi, witnesses said. In Hyderabad, the soldiers refused to let people out of their houses, witnesses said.

Earlier, mobs burned 10 railway stations and several trains across Bhutto's Sindh province, forcing the suspension of all train service between the city of Karachi and the eastern Punjab province, said Mir Mohammed Khaskheli, a senior railroad official.

The rioters uprooted one section of the track leading to India, he said.

An Associated Press reporter saw nine cars of a train completely burned. Witnesses said all the passengers were pulled out before the train was torched.

About 4,000 Bhutto supporters rallied in the northwestern city of Peshawar and several hundred ransacked the empty office of the main pro-Musharraf party, burning furniture and stationery.

Protesters shouted "Musharraf dog" and "Bhutto was alive yesterday, Bhutto is alive today." Dozens of police in riot gear followed the protesters but did not intervene.

In other violence, a roadside bomb killed a local leader from the ruling party and six of his associates as they drove through Swat in northwestern Pakistan, where troops have been fighting followers of a pro-Taliban cleric in recent months, said Mohib Ullah, a local police official.

Many cities were nearly deserted as businesses closed and public transportation came to a halt at the start of three days of national mourning for Bhutto.

A coalition of opposition parties called for a general strike, said Mohammed Usman Kakar, a leader in the All Parties Democratic Movement, which comprises small anti-Musharraf groups.

"The repercussions of her murder will continue to unfold for months, even years," read a mournful editorial in the Dawn newspaper. "What is clear is that Pakistan's political landscape will never be the same, having lost one of its finest daughters."

Bhutto was killed after a suicide attacker shot at her and then blew himself up as she left a rally, police and witnesses said. Authorities initially said she died from bullet wounds, but Dr. Mussadiq Khan, a surgeon who treated her, said Friday that she died from shrapnel that hit her on the right side of the skull.

Bhutto had no heart beat or pulse when she arrived at the hospital and doctors failed to resuscitate her, he said.

Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema said he saw the medical report, and it, too, said she died from a shrapnel wound and was not shot. "No bullet was found in her body," he said.

Soomro, the prime minister, told the Cabinet on Friday that Bhutto's husband did not allow an autopsy, according to a government statement.

After the killing, Nawaz Sharif, another former premier and leader of a rival opposition party, announced his party would boycott the elections.

"I am worried about the country, about the people. Nobody is secure, there is total insecurity," Sharif said.

Opposition politician and former cricket star Imran Khan blamed Musharraf for Bhutto's death, saying he did not give her proper security. Speaking to reporters in Mumbai, India, where he was on a private visit, he called on the president to resign and for an independent judicial probe into her death.

Bhutto, whose party has long been popular among Pakistan's legions of poor, served two terms as prime minister between 1988 and 1996. Both elected governments were toppled amid accusations of corruption and mismanagement, but she was respected in the West for her liberal outlook and determination to combat Islamic extremism.

She had been vying for a third term if her party fared well in the Jan. 8 parliamentary elections.

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[BITEYOASS]

I don't think we should feel sorry for her death, since she allowed the Taliban to set up shop in Afghanistan once the Soviets left. Guess that plan came back around to really bite her in the ass yesterday.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
Holy shit!

Mike Malloy just played a piece of a David Frost interview with Bhutto from just last month.

She was discussing previous assassination plots against her and indicated that one suspect who might be threatening her was "THE MAN WHO MURDERED OSAMA BIN LADEN"


Did you get that?

Osama is DEAD and Bhutto announced it to the entire world.

Does that change anybody's perception of this situation?

Since when is Bhutto the authority on whether OBL is alive or dead?

[FORD]

It all makes sense when you think about it.....

Remember how Chimpy did the 180 degree turn about 6 months after 9-11, from "I want Osama dead or alive" to "I'm truly not that concerned about him"?

Could that be because he knew Osama was already DEAD?

But to announce that fact would have weakened PNAC's case for a "war on terra" and definitely the false case they were building against Iraq at the time.

Daniel Pearl stumbled on to the fact that Osama was dead, and as an investigative journalist, was going to reveal that fact to the world. Why wouldn't he? Most people would consider it a GOOD thing that the "#1 terrorist in the world" was dead.

Except for those using him as the Ultimate Boogeyman, of course.

And you can't help but laugh at the fact that the very minute this story surfaced yesterday - though it's hardly being reported in the corporate media - the BCE put out the word that a "new Osama tape" was expected soon

It's like clockwork with these cowards......

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by FORD
It all makes sense when you think about it.....

Remember how Chimpy did the 180 degree turn about 6 months after 9-11, from "I want Osama dead or alive" to "I'm truly not that concerned about him"?

Could that be because he knew Osama was already DEAD?

But to announce that fact would have weakened PNAC's case for a "war on terra" and definitely the false case they were building against Iraq at the time.

Daniel Pearl stumbled on to the fact that Osama was dead, and as an investigative journalist, was going to reveal that fact to the world. Why wouldn't he? Most people would consider it a GOOD thing that the "#1 terrorist in the world" was dead.

Except for those using him as the Ultimate Boogeyman, of course.

And you can't help but laugh at the fact that the very minute this story surfaced yesterday - though it's hardly being reported in the corporate media - the BCE put out the word that a "new Osama tape" was expected soon

It's like clockwork with these cowards......

Wait...I thought Saddam was the ultimate boogeyman? And I thought Osama was an American actor used as a tool for the BCE? I thought 9/11 was an inside job? And wasn't osama himself one of the missiles on the aircraft that was disguised as a passenger plane that was fired into the WTC?

Which one is it???

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Since when is Bhutto the authority on whether OBL is alive or dead?

Compared to whom, exactly?

I'd say she had MUCH MORE authority on the subject than ANYONE else who has ever spoken publicly via MSM over the last 6 years.

Pervez himself knows. That's for sure. Ask Porter Goss.

My point is....

Just because it came via FORD doesn't mean it's absolutely bat-shit conspiracy crazy.

I believe he is dead, too. And I believe BushCO has always known this...

But I'm no authority on Al Qaeda / CIA operatives, either