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  • sadaist
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jul 2004
    • 11625

    #61
    Originally posted by hideyoursheep


    Seriously, the paying my share doesn't get me steamed, it's the waste of what I give them that I quietly steam about everyday.
    They waste what they take from you and end up short so what do they do? Raise them. I don't mind paying my share, nor do I think many others do, as long as it's a fair share and spent wisely.
    “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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    • GAR
      Banned
      • Jan 2004
      • 10881

      #62
      Originally posted by LoungeMachine
      I just love the "fuck taxes" crowd, who usually are the biggest USERS of said benes....

      I personally dont appreciate MY tax money being spent to build bombs or render civilians, but yet they take it every week.....
      I just love these "I have no preference to becoming as subjugated as a gerbil by my government" posts of yours because once hamstrung of your freedoms, you're grabbing for your guns and eating your fucking words in the trenches of the next revolution with regret.

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59659

        #63
        Originally posted by Big Train

        Also, something I was reading today, how do you feel about his support for "Faith-based programs" (Ford I'm looking your way). Bush was ridden hard about this, yet Obama wants to keep it going as he sees it "works" in inner cities (Keeps Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in "Work" he means). Does this bother you at all?
        There's nothing inherently "wrong" with faith based programs in and of themselves. Habitat for Humanity is one example of a religious based charity that works very well. And there are partnerships between church based charities and government in many areas, such as emergency shelters, and low income housing.

        The problem with Chimpy's approach was that he wanted to only deal with right wing religious organizations, and his ultimate intention was to use religion to replace government in these areas.

        Obama knows about how this works in the inner cities because he personally was involved with such organizations in Chicago. Yes, that "horrible man" Jeremiah Wright, whom the corporate media attacked mercilessly for weeks because of a 10 second soundbite, has actually done a Hell of a lot for the people of his community (also served his country in the Marines, including a stint at the White House guarding LBJ)

        So if I heard that President Obama wanted to set up some sort of government partnership with Trinity United Church in Chicago, I wouldn't at all be opposed to that. Or even with Rick Warren's church, provided the money wasn't going to fund any more Prop H8 type bullshit.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • Big Train
          Full Member Status

          • Apr 2004
          • 4013

          #64
          Interesting. I always figured your problem with it is where my problem is...funding anything faith-based is inherently removing separation of church and state.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59659

            #65
            Originally posted by Big Train
            Interesting. I always figured your problem with it is where my problem is...funding anything faith-based is inherently removing separation of church and state.
            It doesn't have to be. Let's say your local Catholic Archdiocese applies for some state or federal funds to help build a homeless shelter. As long as they're meeting the basic needs of homeless people, and not being overtly preachy to them, then it's not really violating church/state separation. Although it does allow those who operate such a facility to do as JC told them to do in the gospel of Matthew.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • GAR
              Banned
              • Jan 2004
              • 10881

              #66
              Originally posted by FORD
              .. media attacked mercilessly for weeks because of a 10 second soundbite
              Show us a link where Wright apologizes for his 10-second "misstep".. there's alot of preparation that went into that sermon before and after the 10 seconds which I'd call "dedicated blashpemy" because that's the intent behind that particular sermon.

              He goes on and on to support his views about the country, 3-strike laws, prisons - if he were truly focused on injustices within law enforcement he should join a panel to berate the cops with from his position in the bully pulpit.

              As a pastor his main ordained focus is salvation and the Great Commision, not government.

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              • GAR
                Banned
                • Jan 2004
                • 10881

                #67
                Originally posted by FORD
                Let's say your local Catholic Archdiocese..
                - let's say the Pope is the pincusion of Satan's cock. Let's just say it like it is.

                FUCK the pope.

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                • hideyoursheep
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6351

                  #68
                  Originally posted by sadaist
                  They waste what they take from you and end up short so what do they do? Raise them. I don't mind paying my share, nor do I think many others do, as long as it's a fair share and spent wisely.
                  Well, we'll see just how much can be put back into the Treasury once all the non-essentials are eliminated, such as corporate welfare and hidden breaks for those who don't need them to begin with.

                  There's plenty of money for the govt. to operate, if the elected officials stop taking kickbacks from lobbyists to add secretive shit to bills that allow them to skip out on paying their share while the small guy bleeds through the nose.

                  There are thousands of loopholes you don't know about.

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                  • Satan
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6664

                    #69
                    Originally posted by GAR
                    - let's say the Pope is the pincusion of Satan's cock. Let's just say it like it is.

                    FUCK the pope.

                    OK, as long as you're talking about Carly Pope.......


                    I could "pincushion" that with the Third Horn for a while.
                    Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

                    Originally posted by Sockfucker
                    I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.

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