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  • Big Train
    Full Member Status

    • Apr 2004
    • 4013

    Border Agents Commuted

    Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
    By DEB RIECHMANN – 42 minutes ago (AP)

    WASHINGTON (AP) — In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.

    Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

    Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005.

    Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.
    Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.

    The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.

    Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.
    They were convicted of shooting admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande, away from an abandoned van load of marijuana. The border agents argued during their trials that they believed the smuggler was armed and that they shot him in self defense. The prosecutor in the case said there was no evidence linking the smuggler to the van of marijuana. The prosecutor also said the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.

    The agents were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon and with serious bodily injury, violation of civil rights and obstruction of justice. All their convictions, except obstruction of justice, were upheld on appeal.

    With the new acts of clemency, Bush has granted a total of 189 pardons and 11 commutations.

    That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan issued during their two-term tenures. Bush technically has until noon on Tuesday when President-elect Barack Obama is sworn into office to exercise his executive pardon authority, but presidential advisers said no more were forthcoming.
  • GAR
    Banned
    • Jan 2004
    • 10881

    #2
    Disgusting. They deserved a pardon with the record fully expunged.

    Now theyre out of prison, cool they shouldn't have been in there in the first place. However, if Im not mistaken, a commutation deals just with the sentence and not with restoring a person to what they once were.

    Fuck Boosh!

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    • Hardrock69
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Feb 2005
      • 21898

      #3
      I agree. I have been appalled at their treatment ever since they were sent to the slammer.

      They were doing what our government told them to do. It was their duty.

      And they got crucified for it.

      Disgusting.

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      • hideyoursheep
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2007
        • 6351

        #4
        If he knew them or had enough money to throw at the GOP, it would have happened loooong ago.

        The last people in line.

        Pure evil.

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49646

          #5
          I dunno. When you begin looking past everything that the Lou Dobbes leave out, these guys shot an unarmed man and willfully lied about it by filing a fraudulent report. If any other police dept. had done that, they'd of been thrown in the slammer for a long while...

          Sorry, but I'm not buying these guys are the "victims of the liberal immigration lobby" horseshit...

          I agree that 10-years was too harsh. But they should serve a few years and not just get off. Then any cop anywhere has the right to open fire and then just file a false police report to CYA...
          Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-20-2009, 11:32 AM.

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          • sadaist
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jul 2004
            • 11625

            #6
            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
            I dunno. When you begin looking past everything that the Lou Dobbes leave out, these guys shot an unarmed man and willfully lied about it by filing a fraudulent report. If any other police dept. had done that, they'd of been thrown in the slammer for a long while...

            Sorry, but I'm not buying these guys are the "victims of the liberal immigration lobby" horseshit...

            I agree that 10-years was too harsh. But they should serve a few years and not just get off. Then any cop anywhere has the right to open fire and then just file a false police report...

            What these agents did (the act itself) isn't the problem, it's the cover up they tried to pull after the fact. Rarely hear about that. Bush did the exact right thing here by commuting the sentences. Basically saying "you guys did something wrong (cover up) and it will remain on your record, but you've served enough prison time".
            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49646

              #7
              Originally posted by sadaist
              What these agents did (the act itself) isn't the problem, it's the cover up they tried to pull after the fact. Rarely hear about that. Bush did the exact right thing here by commuting the sentences. Basically saying "you guys did something wrong (cover up) and it will remain on your record, but you've served enough prison time".
              If it wasn't a problem, the why did they try to cover it up?

              And fine. But these guys shouldn't be allowed to guard a mall.

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              • GAR
                Banned
                • Jan 2004
                • 10881

                #8
                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                Sorry, but I'm not buying these guys are the "victims of the liberal immigration lobby" horseshit...
                The van full of dope was left behind, and the drug runner got away with a bullet up his ass.

                Then, the Wetback Lobby pressured for a temporary amnesty for the drug runner to obtain a visa, so that he could testify at trial.

                The court disallowed testimony that the drug runner owned guns, was seen in Mexico carrying guns, and was known to run the border armed previously.

                In the meantime, during the time it took to trial, the drug runner used his amnesty visa to continue running drugs of which later he was caught and is currently either on trial or convicted and in prison. I haven't followed this hopeless case in a year since, I assume he's serving time by now but you can't tell that to the Juror's and change their decision.

                It's rediculous!

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                • GAR
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10881

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  If it wasn't a problem, the why did they try to cover it up?
                  They discharged their weapons and failed to report it, since the guy escaped over the border.

                  That's it! That's why they're in trouble. If they'd filed a written report "tonite at 0200 hours, we confiscated said van and during the detainment interview, subject ran away brandishing an unknown weapon in view which we responded to with 3 shots as subject disappeared over sand dune.." they'd be free and clear of any legal issues.

                  They got the dope, and fired at the guy fleeing. I'd say that's doing a fine job! That's what a border cop is supposed to do and it's got to be a morale-killer for that unit to see some of their own patrolmen go to prison for doing their job.

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                  • TongueNGroove
                    Head Fluffer
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 499

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                    If he knew them or had enough money to throw at the GOP, it would have happened loooong ago.

                    The last people in line.

                    Pure evil.

                    So Bush let's them go free, and you still dog him? Get your head out of your ass, please.
                    -We have enough youth. How about a fountain of "Smart"?

                    -If you can read this, thank a teacher....and since it's in English, thank a soldier.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49646

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GAR
                      The van full of dope was left behind, and the drug runner got away with a bullet up his ass.

                      Then, the Wetback Lobby pressured for a temporary amnesty for the drug runner to obtain a visa, so that he could testify at trial.

                      The court disallowed testimony that the drug runner owned guns, was seen in Mexico carrying guns, and was known to run the border armed previously.

                      In the meantime, during the time it took to trial, the drug runner used his amnesty visa to continue running drugs of which later he was caught and is currently either on trial or convicted and in prison. I haven't followed this hopeless case in a year since, I assume he's serving time by now but you can't tell that to the Juror's and change their decision.

                      It's rediculous!

                      Oh, gotcha. So, the cops can summarily shoot anyone that might be a drug dealer and probably was carrying guns the previous time he ran over the border, but not the time they shot him.

                      Then file a false police report about it all....

                      Yeah, "rediculous" alright...

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49646

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GAR
                        They discharged their weapons and failed to report it, since the guy escaped over the border.
                        Um, the shot him and failed to report why they opened fire...

                        That's it! That's why they're in trouble. If they'd filed a written report "tonite at 0200 hours, we confiscated said van and during the detainment interview, subject ran away brandishing an unknown weapon in view which we responded to with 3 shots as subject disappeared over sand dune.." they'd be free and clear of any legal issues.

                        They got the dope, and fired at the guy fleeing. I'd say that's doing a fine job! That's what a border cop is supposed to do and it's got to be a morale-killer for that unit to see some of their own patrolmen go to prison for doing their job.
                        They were in trouble because they shot a fleeing suspect offering no resistance, then fucking lied about it. They didn't "fail" to report, they willfully made up a work of fiction regarding their night on duty as well paid border guards...

                        And cop shooting a fleeing suspect will be certainly fired if not jailed. Filing a false report is a felony in itself...

                        If the guy hadn't been Mexican, but had been a Cuban and he'd been shot on a Florida beach after landing from a the sea during the Clinton Admin, I can only hear the uproar of right wing hypocrites about Janet Reno's out-of-control Justice dept., and the Cuban-Americans would have been burning Miami!

                        But we all know there's the double standard of the land of Hispanic immigrants, the Cubans fleeing communism (that vote mostly Republican) who can come here no questions asked. And the Mexicans and other Latins fleeing unemployment, despotic but US backed regimes, and drug violence fueled by US noses and fought with illegally imported US guns who are persona non grata...
                        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-20-2009, 09:56 PM.

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35827

                          #13
                          You're totally right.

                          There was a kind of similar case here in the UK a few years ago where the media came out defending a guy who shot a kid who had broken into his house.

                          Then it turned out he had shot them from behind as they ran out of the house, they were completely unarmed, with an illegally owned shotgun, and lied about the circumstances and had shot at a neighbor just the week before just for walking past his house and was a total nutcase.

                          It's all in the detail.

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                          • hideyoursheep
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6351

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TongueNGroove
                            So Bush let's them go free, and you still dog him? Get your head out of your ass, please.
                            Git yer tounge out of your groove.

                            Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                            The last people in line.
                            Make sense now, dipshit? Or do you need me to spell it out for you!?

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                            • hideyoursheep
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6351

                              #15
                              Fuck that Nick. They were crossing illegally. You think border agents should carry stun guns? when the hell are they going to get that close to use them? Those drug smugglers don't play by the rules down there. Covering shit up after the fact is wrong, but waiting to see if Gomez is a friendly is a chance I won't take, either!

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