Obama Marks Roe V. Wade Anniversary with a Bush Policy Reversal

[TongueNGroove]

Well at least you acknowledge the existence of condoms and birth control. Might want to pass that on to some of your fellow right wingers. Especially the religious reich, who want to pretend they don't exist, or that its somehow a "sin" to prevent pregnancy.

Truth is though, people brought up under this indoctrination take care of the kids they create (Yah there is an exception to every rule) because they were raised with moral values.


It doesn't matter anyway, contraceptives are available on every street corner and in every doctors office, sometimes for free. So there really is no excuse.

[Nickdfresh]

How about the people who are putting these children in these places take responsibility?

Wrong question, Potsy. The real question is: "What if they don't take responsibility?"

Fuck 'em! Right?

How about not getting pregnant in the first place? Abstinence, condoms, birth control, they all work.

Yes, they do. But yet when they don't work, and we have a shit load of kids around, what do we do?

Why does it have to be MY responsibility?

Because they're your fellow citizens who are innocent victims. The children you so 'love' and want to save!
You certainly want the responsibility to tell women what they have to do with their bodies.

Again, another Liberal passing the buck. They need to take responsibility for their own life and the life of the kid they created.

I'm not passing anything and I doubt I've gotten anyone pregnant. They certainly kept it to themselves if they did. I'm asking a question to a morally vain buffoon with all the easy answers on life...

Like, what if a young girl is raped and becomes pregnant? What if the mother's life is threatened by the pregnancy?

[TongueNGroove]

Wrong question, Potsy. The real question is: "What if they don't take responsibility?"

Fuck 'em! Right?



Yes, they do. But yet when they don't work, and we have a shit load of kids around, what do we do?



Because they're your fellow citizens who are innocent victims. The children you so 'love' and want to save!
You certainly want the responsibility to tell women what they have to do with their bodies.




I'm not passing anything and I doubt I've gotten anyone pregnant. They certainly kept it to themselves if they did. I'm asking a question to a morally vain buffoon with all the easy answers on life...

Like, what if a young girl is raped and becomes pregnant? What if the mother's life is threatened by the pregnancy?

If someone is raped they should obviously report it immediately and get it taken care of. There are several medical methods to keep from getting pregnant.

If someone has a pre-existing medical issue and gets pregnant any way then they know the risk going in.

If for some reason something weird happens and there was an unforeseen issue with the pregnancy that is not only threatening the mothers life, but means she will definitely die and the child could not live outside the womb, then that is an easy decision to make. In other words, if the mother dies then the baby also dies, so it only makes sense to save the mother.

If, however, the baby is viable outside the womb then who is to say the mothers life is more valuable than the babies? They are both humans. In issues like that there is no clear answer.

In either case a cesarean section could be done and at least TRY to let the child live.

What you seem to forget though is, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. You don't have to allow casual (I don’t want this baby) abortions.

There can be strict medical rules put in place to allow for abortions under extreme circumstances as described above. BUT you don't also have to allow (I Fucked up and got drunk and now I'm pregnant) abortions.


Thruth is though, abortion is tricky, not only for the when, but also for the why, if you know what I mean. Like I said above though, casual abortion should be a definte no no.

[Redballjets88]

Wrong question, Potsy. The real question is: "What if they don't take responsibility?"

Fuck 'em! Right?



Yes, they do. But yet when they don't work, and we have a shit load of kids around, what do we do?



Because they're your fellow citizens who are innocent victims. The children you so 'love' and want to save!
You certainly want the responsibility to tell women what they have to do with their bodies.




I'm not passing anything and I doubt I've gotten anyone pregnant. They certainly kept it to themselves if they did. I'm asking a question to a morally vain buffoon with all the easy answers on life...

Like, what if a young girl is raped and becomes pregnant? What if the mother's life is threatened by the pregnancy?

If a rape victim goes to the hospital after a rape they are automatically given emergency contraceptive.

In my Utopia abortion is never used, not because of morality issues, but because everyone does their best to be safe. With today's technology there really isn't an excuse to have an accidental pregnancy.

In my world guys wear condoms, girls are on the pill/shot/patch, and in case of a broken condom they immediately go get the morning after pill.

But then again the people who are out having the teenage pregnancies, and relying on abortion for birth control are dumbasses and what kids they have will further the dumbass lineage. Its a never ending circle.

[hideyoursheep]

Once it is implanted in the uterus and becomes an embryo it is a Human baby IMO.
But that is just my opinion and I think it is the responsible opinion to have.

Okay...

If your wife miscarries, do you give the embryo the same respect as a deceased child and give it a proper burial?

If not, why?

[TongueNGroove]

Okay...

If your wife miscarries, do you give the embryo the same respect as a deceased child and give it a proper burial?

If not, why?

Of course, why not? I give my pets a proper burial, why wouldn't I give my child a burial?

I guess the question here is, define "proper burial". You can't exactly make a headstone that says birth date 0 death date 0 with no name....

[LoungeMachine]

bullshit

[Nickdfresh]

If someone is raped they should obviously report it immediately and get it taken care of. There are several medical methods to keep from getting pregnant.

Or, according to many on the religious right, the girl should have the kid no matter what.

Just ask Sarah Palin...

If someone has a pre-existing medical issue and gets pregnant any way then they know the risk going in.

If for some reason something weird happens and there was an unforeseen issue with the pregnancy that is not only threatening the mothers life, but means she will definitely die and the child could not live outside the womb, then that is an easy decision to make. In other words, if the mother dies then the baby also dies, so it only makes sense to save the mother.

But even people in committed relationships and marriages have surprises...

If, however, the baby is viable outside the womb then who is to say the mothers life is more valuable than the babies? They are both humans. In issues like that there is no clear answer.

Um, very few abortions take place where the fetus is "viable outside the womb." It happens, but generally late term abortions are only performed to save the life of a mother.

But if the mother were to die, and the baby survives, who takes care of it?

In either case a cesarean section could be done and at least TRY to let the child live.

I'm not sure that can always be done for the same reason the childbirth would kill the mother...

What you seem to forget though is, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. You don't have to allow casual (I don’t want this baby) abortions.

There can be strict medical rules put in place to allow for abortions under extreme circumstances as described above. BUT you don't also have to allow (I Fucked up and got drunk and now I'm pregnant) abortions.

Okay, but do you really want some skank having lots of kids?

Thruth is though, abortion is tricky, not only for the when, but also for the why, if you know what I mean. Like I said above though, casual abortion should be a definte no no.

Oh, okay, so it's not some black and white issue easily distilled down to babykillers vs. the good people?

[Nickdfresh]

If a rape victim goes to the hospital after a rape they are automatically given emergency contraceptive.

But a lot of people consider that abortion...Palin apparently did as mayor of her small town...

In my Utopia abortion is never used, not because of morality issues, but because everyone does their best to be safe. With today's technology there really isn't an excuse to have an accidental pregnancy.

In my world guys wear condoms, girls are on the pill/shot/patch, and in case of a broken condom they immediately go get the morning after pill.

Your "uoptia" ignores that many of the religious clowns in the "abstinence only" movement completely deny human nature and are almost as against birth control, or at least the education regarding anything remotely considered family planning, in schools. So in essence they're creating the opportunities for abortion, not reducing them...

But then again the people who are out having the teenage pregnancies, and relying on abortion for birth control are dumbasses and what kids they have will further the dumbass lineage. Its a never ending circle.

Of course. But in many cases, they're dumbasses kept ignorant in abstinence only programs...

[hideyoursheep]

bullshit

exactly..

[Redballjets88]

But a lot of people consider that abortion...Palin apparently did as mayor of her small town...



Your "uoptia" ignores that many of the religious clowns in the "abstinence only" movement completely deny human nature and are almost as against birth control, or at least the education regarding anything remotely considered family planning, in schools. So in essence they're creating the opportunities for abortion, not reducing them...



Of course. But in many cases, they're dumbasses kept ignorant in abstinence only programs...

Hence Utopia

[Nickdfresh]

Hence Utopia

Good luck with that!

Read Plato's "Republic" in that there college yet?

[binnie]

This issue will always raise passionate responses.

I wonder, how many abortions actually occur in the US each year? A lot of the polemic around this issue make it seem like young women everywhere are murdering babies on a monthly basis? Perhaps some cold facts could calm the debate a little.

[chefcraig]

...I wonder, how many abortions actually occur in the US each year?

By reading some of the nonsense posted around here, I'd say that in the past, sadly not quite enough.

[Redballjets88]

Good luck with that!

Read Plato's "Republic" in that there college yet?

Nope, most of the reading I do is on my own. Haven't read Republic yet, but read Common Sense and The Rights of Man by Thomas Paine recently. Both very good.