Obama Proposes Military Funding Cuts

[Seshmeister]

3. Ditch AFRICOM, there is no use for it. In fact just have two operational commands: NORTHCOM and WORLDCOM. We need to cut some generals from the payroll anyway, there are too many imo.

The British navy now has more admirals than warships...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/3073680/Admirals-outnumber-warships-in-Royal-Navy-report-shows.html

[Nickdfresh]

fuck that!

Or we could just get rid of all the services except for the Marine Corp since they already have ships, tanks, and fighter aircraft in one service. :D

[Nickdfresh]

The US projection of power around the globe is probably the most expensive thing of it all. The truth is that if the US simply transitioned to meeting most of its own energy needs, we simply could stop giving a fuck about the Middle East...

The military budget should be more focuses on that!

[BITEYOASS]

Or we could just get rid of all the services except for the Marine Corp since they already have ships, tanks, and fighter aircraft in one service. :D

Nah, we ride the navy's ships, the air forces aircraft and have to borrow some of the Army's field artillery and construction equipment when we are short. Hell I remember that a lot of the weapons I built for the aircraft were basically leftovers from the other services that the USMC gets at bargain basement prices. USMC is made for small wars, amphibious landings and island invasions. Because if one of the airborne divisions did our missions, half of them would drown, since the deepest water they've probably been in was probably the creek back home.

Oh yeah, and don't be around them when they're drunk. It will look like Keith Moon on steroids. LOL

[Va Beach VH Fan]

4. Have 2 carrier groups per continent. Which means we should have 12 nuclear carriers.

You realize you're in effect making the deployments for those remaining carriers longer, right ??

[BITEYOASS]

You realize you're in effect making the deployments for those remaining carriers longer, right ??

I'm stating how many there should be on hand regardless of status, not on the amount that should be deployed.

[kwame k]

wrong forum.......bad post

[LoungeMachine]

What percentage of our military expenditures goes to protecting our oil interests?

It's a hidden tax that adds up to billions.



Imagine if we got off the teet.

[kwame k]

Imagine if we got off the teet.

As the poet said.......

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[hideyoursheep]

Or we could just get rid of all the services except for the Marine Corp since they already have ships, tanks, and fighter aircraft in one service. :D

There's not enough of them to go around...

[hideyoursheep]

There's plenty of waste to be trimmed from the budget....he's been briefed and I trust his calculator has batteries.

[Nickdfresh]

There's not enough of them to go around...

I was joking. One of the biggest opponents of any unification is the USMC, and there was talk of combining them with the US Army as a special naval infantry or amphibious assault group under the Dept. of the Army both before and after Vietnam I believe...

They frustrated this effort by (sometimes rightly) pointing out that marines had a much better combat record in instances such as the early part of the Korean War because of better, more consistent infantry training and esprit de corp with a different culture. That's was true, but I'm not sure it is anymore or that the US really needs a separate small military force that essentially duplicates the other three services today...

[LoungeMachine]

There's plenty of waste to be trimmed from the budget....he's been briefed and I trust his calculator has batteries.

Solar calculators only in this white house.

Cheney's pacemakers used all of the batteries

[hideyoursheep]

I was joking....

I knew that..

One of the biggest opponents of any unification is the USMC, and there was talk of combining them with the US Army as a special naval infantry or amphibious assault group under the Dept. of the Army both before and after Vietnam I believe...

They frustrated this effort by (sometimes rightly) pointing out that marines had a much better combat record in instances such as the early part of the Korean War because of better, more consistent infantry training and esprit de corp with a different culture. That's was true, but I'm not sure it is anymore or that the US really needs a separate small military force that essentially duplicates the other three services today...

I don't want to get into that. There's plus and minuses to both. They do what they do, and the Army does what it does, which is move in and occupy. The Corps was originally drawn up to be deployed from off shore quickly and back on board without giving the appearance of a long standing occupation, which is probably why to this day their deployments are shorter.

But 1st I.D. isn't supposed to be doing amphibious assaults, either. (see Normandy)


I say keep it the way it is, but stop the waste.

[GAR]

4) Audit every last penny going to "defense" contractors. Prosecute the criminals who have defrauded the American taxpayers, and shut their criminal corporations down.


Can anybody make a reasonable argument against these proposals?

First off with your last gripe, it's impossible to call Fraud where you have the collusion of the then-Commander-In-Chief as well as his Cabinet. Even if they are controlling him, the ultimate liability is with the contracts signed and not the Chief nor the cabinet and contractors.

Secondly, the US military is in a lot of places American business interests are, from which a great deal of the economy is derived and at the core of your argument, you preclude that the economic maintenance of the Military as World Police was not fiscally balanced to account for these presences in the first place. Which could not be further from the truth.

Blackwater and other hired thugs did what they do best in the age when the CIA actually functioned, and hired privateers, formerly experts while in the Military to do the dirty work when civility played out of things. They'll always sniffing around and probably thrive very well under Obama especially if we engage another nation or get attacked.

And if you have to ask "Why are the troops still in ____ country" look no further than Korea, where every fucking day our troops posted in the DMZ get fucked with, get shot at.. because bad peoples never change and you got whole societies of ferocious fuckers like North Korea and China who'll cut your heart out for an apple and NEED to see lots of guns and tanks in their face to keep order making them behave.

Eventually two things happen regardless: America's industrial and technical edges give way to other countries we export all that to do the work for us, and the duality of that truth will be that we become less free as those nations become less Communistic and Regime-based and stable.

That's the biggest threat to our way of life, balancing the edge of the developing world against ripping off our prosperity, and our giving it away for nothing by losers here who want peace, love hope and understanding for those over there without the spiritual initiatives behind such a way of life that's now so independant and hedonistic of our beginnings, we eventually lose everything and regress to third-world status ourselves.