Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read..

[FORD]

Same question.


My NO vote is based solely on the fact that I don't know what the bill contains. What is your YES vote based on?

What YES vote? Am I in Congress now?

[kwame k]

How much time am I allotted for viewing it?

I didn't say I was opposed to the bill. How the fuck can I be opposed to it when I have very little idea what it contains? Therein lies the problem. How can any elected official who voted YES on this know what the fuck is in it? And YES! I blame the Democrats for this. They are the ones who drafted it, rushed it through, and all voted yes.

My NO vote is based solely on the fact that I don't know what the bill contains. What is your YES vote based on?

So what you're saying is.......you haven't even spent any time even reviewing any of this bill but will base your opinion on news blurbs saying no one has had time to review this final bill but......we've known about the rough content, specifics and many other parts of this bill for weeks but you are too stupid to have read any of it or too lazy to read the pfd now......so basically you have know clue WTF you are talking about, as usual....Sorry but the Front Line is for people on the grown up bus......not the short bus.....

[sadaist]

So what you're saying is.......you haven't even spent any time even reviewing any of this bill but will base your opinion on news blurbs saying no one has had time to review this final bill but......we've known about the rough content, specifics and many other parts of this bill for weeks but you are too stupid to have read any of it or too lazy to read the pfd now......so basically you have know clue WTF you are talking about, as usual....Sorry but the Front Line is for people on the grown up bus......not the short bus.....

It sure is reassuring that you and many similar to you are willing to spend nearly a trillion dollars only knowing about the "rough content" of the bill from weeks ago. Do you know what was changed, added, removed, or revised in the final draft? I've seen several pages with handwritten amendments on them so far. So because I demand my elected official to actually know what they are voting for you consider me stupid and immature?

[sadaist]

What YES vote? Am I in Congress now?

The people you elect and support are. Elected officials are nothing more than the voice of their constituents. (At least in theory)

[Guitar Shark]

It is completely unrealistic to think that ANY legislator reads every word of every piece of legislation that comes up for a vote, even very important pieces of legislation like this one. There is simply not enough time in the day. That is what congressional staffers are for.

[sadaist]

you are too stupid to have read any of it or too lazy to read the pfd now...

...so basically you have know clue WTF you are talking about, as usual...

Sorry but the Front Line is for people on the grown up bus......not the short bus.....

pfd? know clue? I thinking that empty seat in the short bus you are referring to might just have your name on it.

[sadaist]

It is completely unrealistic to think that ANY legislator reads every word of every piece of legislation that comes up for a vote, even very important pieces of legislation like this one. There is simply not enough time in the day. That is what congressional staffers are for.

The problem with that argument is the Obama promised transparency and promised a minimum of 48 hours for any bill to be reviewed by the public.

[FORD]

The problem with that argument is the Obama promised transparency and promised a minimum of 48 hours for any bill to be reviewed by the public.

Did you check the White House web site?

[Combat Ready]

Alright...I blame Bush...you blame the Democrats.....bring something to the table.....give me specifics of the bill that you are opposed to.....moron! point for point. Prove your work with facts......

Maybe we should blame all of the voters--each side continues to blame the other and look at the result. Yeah, Bush opened the door to socialism and President Obama and the dems have accelerated the pace at an alarming rate. It is our own darn fault.

Republicans have finally found their principals after deservedly getting their asses kicked the last two election cycles. Too little and too late.

The funny thing about offering specifics of opposition to the stimulus bill....Seriously? How can one be opposed to specific details that are not available? Is it not ridiculous that a vote was taken in both the House and Senate without them even knowing the fucking details?

I believe that Obama is a decent guy, who was elected convincingly. The man has every right to implement the programs he champions--so long as he has the support in Congress. He believes that big government can be the solution. There are those who disagree, and believe that government control is the problem.

The United States of America is the greatest Nation of all time...In my opinion. Freedom is what has separated us from the others---Freedom to succeed and Freedom to fail. Without the freedom to fail, there is no freedom at all.

Here's a great quote from a damn good President and it still applies today:

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly...who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who have never known neither victory nor defeat."

Teddy Roosevelt

[Guitar Shark]

The problem with that argument is the Obama promised transparency and promised a minimum of 48 hours for any bill to be reviewed by the public.

I heard about the "transparency" thing (which sounds nice, but means nothing), but had not heard about the 48 hour "promise." How can Obama promise anything on behalf of Congress? That makes no sense to me.

[Combat Ready]

Did you check the White House web site?

Sadaist is correct. The final bill was drafted 15 hours prior to the vote. There is not one politician who even "claimed" they read it prior to voting.

That is not good....No matter what side of the aisle you're on.

[Combat Ready]

Dems Break Promise To Post Stimulus Bill Online For 48-Hour Public Airing...

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SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday by Connie Hair (more by this author)
Posted 02/12/2009 ET
Updated 02/13/2009 ET

In a press conference Thursday, the House Republican leadership spoke candidly about being kept out of the House-Senate conference on the Obama-Pelosi-Reid so-called “economic stimulus” bill. They confirmed they had not yet seen the text of the bill as of 4 p.m.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he was unsure how many Democrats would vote with Republicans again on this bill but that he thought Republicans “may get a few” Democrats to side with them. The fact that the Demos have now broken their promise to have the public able to see the bill for 48 hours may drive more Dems into the Republican camp.

“[i] don’t know, ‘cause they haven’t seen the bill either,” Boehner said.

“The American people have a right to know what’s in this bill,” Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind) told HUMAN EVENTS after the press conference. “Every member of Congress -- Republicans and Democrats -- voted to post this bill on the internet for 48 hours, 48 hours ago. We’ll see if the Democrats keep their word.”

Actually -- as of 5:15 pm, the Democrats had broken their word. The stimulus bill -- which we still haven’t seen -- will be released late tonight and will be brought up on the House floor at 9 am tomorrow.

The following statement was released by Majority Leader Steny Hoyer at 4:57 p.m.:

"The House is scheduled to meet at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow and is expected to proceed directly to consideration of the American Recovery and Reinvestment conference report. The conference report text will be filed this evening, giving members enough time to review the conference report before voting on it tomorrow afternoon."

Meanwhile, at an earlier presser Thursday, Pelosi -- while talking about legislation regarding school construction funds -- said it was vital to see the language of a bill before making decisions. ReadtheStimulus.org had the following quote:

“With all of this you have to see the language. You said this --- I said that --- I understood it to be this way --- you know, we wanted to see it in writing and when we did that then we were able to go forward."

"Around here language means a lot. Words weigh a ton and one person's understanding of a spoken description might vary from another's. We wanted to see it. And not only just I had to see it, I had to show it to my colleagues and my caucus. We wanted to take all the time that was necessary to make sure it was right."

Congressional members are also exchanging barbs via the popular social network Twitter. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) twittered, "Don't know when we're going to vote. Will the no votes delay vote just because they can? Speed is important. They know that."

House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) twittered back, “Those in favor of speed over commonsense may just be afraid of letting the People know what they are ramming through.”

UPDATE: The Democrats finally made the bill's language available around 11 p.m. Thursday, approximately 10 hours before members meet Friday to consider the bill and 38 hours short of the time promised Americans to review the bill.


Connie Hair is a freelance writer, a former speechwriter for Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) and a former media and coalitions advisor to the Senate Republican Conference.


SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday - HUMAN EVENTS

[Big Train]

The whole process should be scrapped and they should start fresh. The sky isn't gonna fall over the next two weeks, so why not?

[hideyoursheep]

The whole process should be scrapped and they should start fresh. The sky isn't gonna fall over the next two weeks, so why not?

And fuck you because I agree with you!

[Nickdfresh]

Fucking spare me already!

Really?

This has been a problem for at least the last 20 to 30 years. but now all of a sudden the fact that there is no way in hell elected representatives can read all of the legislation they vote in NOW such a major issue? Really?