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  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    #16
    The response to Katrina was the fuck up.....are the people to blame because they lived there.......by that logic no one should live in California near the fault line, no one should live on a coast where hurricanes frequent.......had the levies been adequate and had the recommendations of the Army Corps of Engineers been listen to.......but back on topic about Bush and Katrina look at who the fuck he appointed to run the show, a guy with zero experience........

    FEMA Cronyism Led to Failure
    Michael Brown, who resigned September 12, 2005, as FEMA's director, "has become a symbol of cronyism," Paul Krugman wrote in the New York Times.

    Brown "didn't know the difference between a tropical depression and an anxiety attack when President Bush charged him with life-and-death decisions," Maureen Dowd wrote in the Times.

    "W. trusted Brownie simply because he was a friend of a friend," Dowd said. "He was a college buddy of Joe Allbaugh, who worked as W.'s chief of staff when he was Texas governor and as his 2000 presidential campaign manager."

    When FEMA was "reorganized under Homeland Security, stripping it of authority," Allbaugh left the agency to become a lobbyist for companies like Halliburton, leaving behind "an eviscerated FEMA" with "his friend Brown in charge," Dowd said.

    Spencer S. Hsu wrote in the September 9, 2005, Washington Post that "Five of eight top Federal Emergency Management Agency officials came to their posts with virtually no experience in handling disasters and now lead an agency whose ranks of seasoned crisis managers have thinned dramatically since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

    "FEMA's top three leaders -- Director Michael D. Brown, Chief of Staff Patrick J. Rhode and Deputy Chief of Staff Brooks D. Altshuler -- arrived with ties to President Bush's 2000 campaign or to the White House advance operation, according to the agency. Two other senior operational jobs are filled by a former Republican lieutenant governor of Nebraska and a U.S. Chamber of Commerce official who was once a political operative."

    "Meanwhile," Hsu reported, "veterans such as U.S. hurricane specialist Eric Tolbert and World Trade Center disaster managers Laurence W. Zensinger and Bruce P. Baughman -- who led FEMA's offices of response, recovery and preparedness, respectively -- have left since 2003, taking jobs as consultants or state emergency managers, according to current and former officials."

    "Patronage appointments to the crisis-response agency are nothing new to Washington administrations. But inexperience in FEMA's top ranks is emerging as a key concern of local, state and federal leaders as investigators begin to sift through what the government has admitted was a bungled response to Hurricane Katrina," Spencer S. Hsu wrote September 9, 2005.

    [edit]FEMA's "Bungled Response" to Hurricane Katrina
    FEMA's response to one of the greatest natural disasters in American history was serious hampered by its failure to prepare, in spite of the recent "Hurricane Pam" simulation, and relief spending experience in pre-Election Florida 2004.

    "The breakdown in management and communications was so execrable that the president learned about the 25,000 desperate, trapped people at the New Orleans convention center not from [FEMA director Michael Brown] ..., who didn't know himself, but from a wire story carried into the Oval Office by an aide on Thursday, 24 hours after the victims had been pleading and crying for help on every channel," Maureen Dowd wrote September 10, 2005.

    The "lethally inept response to Hurricane Katrina revealed to everyone that the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which earned universal praise during the Clinton years, is a shell of its former self," Paul Krugman wrote September 12, 2005.
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    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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    • kwame k
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Feb 2008
      • 11302

      #17
      We've been through the fucking lies Bush told and had his administration tell about Iraq a million times. They wanted to find an excuse to invade Iraq, an excuse, that's a fact......You don't think the 1.3 trillion dollars we've spent in Iraq had anything to do with our current economic crisis? You don't think that Bush had zero domestic policy? What the fuck did his administration do domestically, nothing......zero! No regulations of speculations on oil futures on Wall Street, zero fucking policies on corporate greed, zero accountability on the first half of the TARP bailout for how many hundred of billions of dollars.......ask a bank what they did with the money, they have no clue........when the housing crisis started in 2006/2007 and foreclosures where on the rise what did Bush's leadership do, nothing.....they waited until 2008 to even do anything and that was to give a blank check to the fucking morons who got us in the mess in the first place.....


      You are right, we can't give all the blame to Bush......how can you blame a guy who did nothing, literally nothing......except he was in charge of our fucking country.
      Originally posted by vandeleur
      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35755

        #18
        Originally posted by sadaist
        The President is a powerful man, but not that powerful.
        BUT he fucked up everything that was within his power.

        He should be somehow applauded for not fucking up things that were outwith his power?

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35755

          #19
          This may be the weakest attempt at an argument I've ever seen.

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          • sadaist
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jul 2004
            • 11625

            #20
            You guys do realize that you are arguing that most people who vote are educated, well informed, and not sheep?
            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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            • kwame k
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Feb 2008
              • 11302

              #21
              Man, you should be listening to his speech right now.
              Originally posted by vandeleur
              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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              • swage33
                Head Fluffer
                • Jan 2009
                • 311

                #22
                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                The core of the Bush hatred is the fact that he was terrible by any measure and might be the worst two term (well, maybe one and a half term) pResidents ever...


                The "truth" is he could have overcome that early legal clusterfuck with good leadership. But he preferred vacations and 30 hour workweeks...

                He could have made his worst disaster his greatest triumph on 911. But he had a flicker of a moment, then used a national tragedy to invade a country that had nothing to do with it. Then he even fucked that up!!! Royally!

                Do I need to go on? What "facts" would you like to discuss...

                At the end of the day he was a silver-spooned legacy that failed at just about everything he tried...
                I was of the impression that the gist of this thread was that most people hate in blind ignorance when it comes to politics. It should be clear at this point that I am a conservative republican (which isn't represented well anymore) but you will not find me defending Apey(little more respect than Ford shows). I can't defend his record or his behavior. I will not justify his behavior by saying, "everyone does it". I will not deflect criticism of him by pointing out other examples of fucked-up-edness. But, I don't think he is the villan he is made out to be. And, when he is implicated in the world's greatest criminal scenerios, if unjustly, I will point that out. All this BCE and covert bullshit is a little over the top for my taste....thats all.
                High quality hate while you wait

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                • sadaist
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11625

                  #23
                  Originally posted by kwame k
                  Man, you should be listening to his speech right now.
                  I am. His red tie with stripes is all weird on my TV. Giving me a headache.
                  “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                  • kwame k
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 11302

                    #24
                    Figures you'd be the fashion police.

                    What barbershop did he knock over to get that tie.
                    Originally posted by vandeleur
                    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35755

                      #25
                      Originally posted by sadaist
                      You guys do realize that you are arguing that most people who vote are educated, well informed, and not sheep?
                      Sure a lot of voters aren't too clued up on the issues.

                      There also seems to be a uniquely US thing going on of inverse snobbery whereby some voters don't want their president to be too smart.

                      But this is the worst example ever to make your argument because Bush has spectacularly fucked up in every category.

                      You don't need to understand futures or credit crunches when you lose your job and home.

                      You don't have to be an expert on politics to think that perhaps there is a problem when the US has dead bodies lying in the streets for weeks after a natural disaster and the president put one of his unqualified pals in charge of it.

                      And you don't have to be an expert to see bodybags, kids being killed for nothing in senseless wars.

                      There are another dozen examples.

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                      • sadaist
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 11625

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        Bush has spectacularly fucked up in every category.
                        Not arguing that. But to hate him and not be able to point to anything more than what Kanye West, Bruce Springsteen, or Sean Penn are saying isn't too bright. Know the specifics. And to put all the blame for everything bad that happened under his watch is simply ignorant.



                        Dang, Bobby Jindal seems like a tool...and his tie is almost the same as Obamas! He's reminding me of Ray Barone
                        “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49567

                          #27
                          Originally posted by sadaist
                          ....My point is that a large portion of the public have no idea why they agree or disagree with a particular issue. Let alone even know what the fuck the issues are.
                          Yes. They're called partisan Republicans...

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 59649

                            #28
                            Right wing lunatics can't make up their mind whether Obama is supposed to be "Hitler" or "the Antichrist"......

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              #29
                              And/or

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                              Al Bundy

                              OJ Simpson

                              Bonnie

                              And/or

                              Clyde

                              John Dillinger

                              FORD


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                              • Combat Ready
                                Foot Soldier
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 572

                                #30
                                Originally posted by FORD
                                Right wing lunatics can't make up their mind whether Obama is supposed to be "Hitler" or "the Antichrist"......

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