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[Combat Ready]

Problem is that over the last 28 years, the corporations have become the government.

Some would argue that it's the other way around. If not...We're getting there.

[Kristy]

My reaction is that Alex Jones is a money-changing whore, 911-profiteer...

Everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING that happens within the confines of the US Government turns out to be some haphazard Illuminati/Globalist conspiracy according to Jones. In the only time I could stomach his deplorable radio show he devoted an hour to the whys and hows of the American public being "desensitized" to movies about the Holocaust. We seem to love them says Jones only because the Globalist are somehow programming us (via the cinema) to voluntarily walk into the "secret gas cambers" currently being built in eastern Colorado and New Mexico.

You're right, he's no different than Coulter (and don't get me started on her) when it comes to making a dollar off someone's suffering as long as he can throw words like "conspiracy" and "plot" about. Wearing his shitty "Investigate" t-shirt days after 9/11 whoring himself to any camera or radio show that gave him 5 minutes of air time was insulting. He's another self-imposed pseudo journalist hiding in a bunker only to come out with a videocam in order to satisfy his tin foil hat-wearing audience augmenting his bank account in the process. Listen to him on Coast-To-Coast some night of the most inane ramblings of his warped mind and see if he isn't pimping some book or a movie within 15 minutes of the interview.

[Andy Taylor]

Which "ones?" You wouldn't know since you never bothered to look...

We're talking 9/11 not Moore, so yes here I did go through the official and alt theories some time back.

Um, the "govt" isn't some giant monolithic omnipotent power.

If you actually bother to read the "911 Report," you'll see that. They actually disclosed the previously secret CIA "Rendition" program in it...

Even people outside the Jones crowd called it a whitewash.

But you think Moore is "condemnable" based on a film you haven't bothered to watch (for free on YouTube).

Thanks for not providing any "specifics" I asked for.

What's this about? I didn't say anything about disagreeing with the whole outcome of his documentary. I just questioned his motivation. I don't really care about Moore, it's my impression of him that he's insincere. Just like you say the same of Jones. Moore's doc doesn't interest me because he doesn't address the things that need to be.

No, not "Snopes." Actual structural engineers and scientists on that bastion of conservatism, PBS.ORG. And as far as Snopes, they also debunk populist right wing fantasies as well...

erm... this is not right or left wing, actually they are more left leaning views if anything.

Um, the "fact" is that the "inside job" crowd are fundamentally "anti-scientific method" (not my words) because they ASSUME a conclusion that something fishy must of happened, THEN use ever morphing arguments based on inherent preexisting bias to "prove" their preexisting conclusions rather than letting the evidence lead them to a conclusion. And most of the inside job sites purporting to be scientific and engineering based are shown to be completely disingenuous in their claims...

Northwoods? Fucking please! 2+2=5

That argument is the same pseudo-logic that Bush used to rationalize the second Gulf War!

Nope, it's not simply out of a conclusion, but there's plenty of evidence from all kinds of sources, from the firemen to Norad.

[Nickdfresh]

We're talking 9/11 not Moore, so yes here I did go through the official and alt theories some time back.

You brought up Moore, not me. And there are several threads and my beliefs are plainly stated and hardly the "official version."

Even people outside the Jones crowd called it a whitewash.

I agree that it was to an extent. however, if you "deconstruct" it, the document has much value...

What's this about? I didn't say anything about disagreeing with the whole outcome of his documentary. I just questioned his motivation. I don't really care about Moore, it's my impression of him that he's insincere. Just like you say the same of Jones. Moore's doc doesn't interest me because he doesn't address the things that need to be.

What it is about is your failure to actually view something you have an opinion on...

erm... this is not right or left wing, actually they are more left leaning views if anything.

I'd say they're squarely moderate/middle of the road...

Nope, it's not simply out of a conclusion, but there's plenty of evidence from all kinds of sources, from the firemen to Norad.

Um, you're confusing speculation with evidence.

[Andy Taylor]

Ofcourse the report has much value. But there's evidence on both sides (which are ignored) and there are so many holes in the official theory. We're so far from the event now I don't even see a point in me re-examining all the details. I still might do it someday but it's both a pain and it's not going to convince everyone anyway. Meaning the purpose is a bit futile, the same reason why I don't care to find out more about Moore, just like you think it's futile to consider the merits of Duran.

Here's another example of how the mainstream media is catching up with Jones and the crazies. The NYT ran an article on how, yes, the Bush govt was a dicatorship after all, repealing posse comitatus and so forth.

I'm curious, how do you treat those two articles I posted above? They're completely mainstream and they echo some of Jones' major points. No one would admit it but their main reason for rejecting the alt media evidence is that they don't want to believe people could do such a thing, it's not really about the facts. These people, Cheney, Rumsfeld have shown the mad thinking of a dictator, they do believe in ideas of perpetual war, which is in line with fascist thinking. And they do sacrifice 'their own' in fake wars. Why would 3000 plus a few more matter to people who think like they do?

[Nitro Express]

The Citizens Need To Know Their Rights

One huge problem we have in the US is the citizenship don't know their rights. I'm shocked at how many kids don't even know what the First Amendment is. We need to know our rights and teach them to our children. Then we as a public need to hold our politicians accountable to those rights.

If we don't give a shit anymore, then those rights dissapear when someone else gets the interest of the politicians. People get the govt. they deserve.

[Andy Taylor]

People are tuned into the media expecting a newscaster to tell them their rights have disappeared. Civilization is clearly proving to be the most pointless exercise mankind set out upon. The Bilders have perhaps wisely realised this and decided to slowly take us back to serfdom. Maybe I should get on their side and apply for a position higher up in their scheme of things.

[ELVIS]

Even if Ron Paul had been somehow elected, Alex Jones probably would have proclaimed him the new zombie overlord the next day.

That's bullshit!

[Andy Taylor]

I think Jones is fairly consistent. He's always bashed Bush and Obama when he was a candidate and I think he's always backed Paul.

[Nickdfresh]

I think Jones is fairly consistent...

A consistent shithead...