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  • swage33
    Head Fluffer
    • Jan 2009
    • 311

    #16
    How could you still want government health care after this example? Don't you think that Obama will try to reduce costs? He will tell us what we can and cannot consume.
    High quality hate while you wait

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    • alexpgrimes
      Foot Soldier
      • Jan 2004
      • 731

      #17
      Originally posted by Coyote
      Where's a Lee Iacocca or a John DeLorean when ya need one?
      DeLorean is dead...lol this situation has been coming for along time. you cant blame bush for this.
      If I want any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        #18
        Originally posted by swage33
        How could you still want government health care after this example? Don't you think that Obama will try to reduce costs? He will tell us what we can and cannot consume.
        I want SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE regulated by The Government.

        The Life and Health of citizens shouldn't be a motive for insane profits.

        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          #19
          Basic necessities should be regulated by our government. Are any of you deregulators pissed off that the government regulates how food is produced? Our energy, health care, schools and other services should be regulated by our governments and why not. What the fuck do we pay taxes for then. Fuck Wall Street and fuck the banks. Use are tax dollars for the people who pay them.
          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59648

            #20
            Originally posted by alexpgrimes
            DeLorean is dead...lol this situation has been coming for along time. you cant blame bush for this.
            As in Chimpy himself, no. As in the BCE and the entire last 28 years of completely fucked up economic & trade policies, yes.

            So that's Chimp, his daddy, and Clinton. You could say "Reagan" as well, but that was just Poppy hiding behind the actor in front of the camera.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • hideyoursheep
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Jan 2007
              • 6351

              #21
              Originally posted by Kristy
              Instead of designing something that was economical for the American consumer GM played their heavy hand by slamming Japanese and Euro-trash imports (like what I drive) by bad mouthing both and lobbying Congress for higher tariffs claiming it was the only way to say competitive. Fuck you, GM and your arrogant laziness. You got what you deserve.
              That could go both ways.

              American autos can't be unloaded as easily overseas as foreign cars are here.

              The outrageous tariff on US cars almost guarantees little or no competition with what would be that country's domestic product.

              But with the shitty designs and style of the so-called economy cars or sedans, yes, GM had definitely dropped that ball years ago.
              Last edited by hideyoursheep; 04-02-2009, 12:47 AM. Reason: punctuation fail....

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              • BITEYOASS
                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                • Jan 2004
                • 6530

                #22
                Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
                Oh Boy, now we have a group of politicians whom have never run a business in their lives, telling automakers how to run their business. I have a GM vehicle and can't wait for Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi to change the timing belt on it. The Prez did state that Government Motors would honor my warranty.
                How about you stop listening to your master Glenn Beck!?!? While your at it, you can put the garlic and wooden stakes away, because Obama isn't a vampire.

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35755

                  #23
                  Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                  But with the shitty designs and style of the so-called economy cars or sedans, yes, GM had definitely dropped that ball years ago.
                  Yeah but that's what happens when you don't allow proper competition.

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                  • hideyoursheep
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 6351

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Seshmeister
                    Yeah but that's what happens when you don't allow proper competition.
                    What do you mean?

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                    • swage33
                      Head Fluffer
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 311

                      #25
                      Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                      I want SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE regulated by The Government.

                      The Life and Health of citizens shouldn't be a motive for insane profits.

                      Agreed. But, once the government has a stake in it....how can it not influence its will in the interest of the taxpayers?
                      High quality hate while you wait

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35755

                        #26
                        Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                        What do you mean?
                        I'm no expert on the US auto market but it seems to me any time you get into tariffs or protectionism it fucks things up.

                        Protectionism and Politics

                        Protecting Automakers

                        Protection can also affect higher-value products such as automobiles, an industry that at various times has been protected by powerful political interests in Japan, Korea, China, and the United States.

                        In the 1970s and 1980s, the U.S. auto industry faced its first major challenge from foreign competition as Japanese automakers aggressively entered the American market. As Japan's share of the U.S. market grew, the Big Three U.S. automakers—Ford, Chrysler, and General Motors—convinced the federal government to impose a cap on the number of cars Japan could ship to the United States. In 1981, the Reagan administration agreed to impose such restraints, despite President Reagan's free market philosophy, because the auto and auto parts industries were major employers in the United States. Moreover, such employment was largely concentrated in a number of politically pivotal states—Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois—that exerted a great deal of influence in Congress and in presidential elections.

                        The annual import limit had the perverse effect of encouraging Japanese car companies to change the product mix of vehicles they shipped to the United States, sending more upscale models, where the profits were greatest, and fewer smaller, cheaper cars. It is estimated that, at its peak in the early 1980s, the quota was transferring $5 billion a year in additional profits to Japanese automakers, who could sell their quota-limited cars at a premium. Despite this protection, the U.S. auto industry continued to lose market share to Japanese producers because Toyota, Nissan, and Honda simply jumped over the trade barrier and began manufacturing cars in the United States.
                        So the tariffs forced the US car makers to the lower end of the market. Also any time you impose tariffs you can bet the country you do it to will respond with their own which hurts your exports.

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                        • Ally_Kat
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7612

                          #27
                          Originally posted by kwame k
                          Basic necessities should be regulated by our government. Are any of you deregulators pissed off that the government regulates how food is produced? Our energy, health care, schools and other services should be regulated by our governments and why not. What the fuck do we pay taxes for then. Fuck Wall Street and fuck the banks. Use are tax dollars for the people who pay them.
                          Schools aren't regulated by the gov't? We have state learning standards, state teacher certification (which you cannot teach without unless it's a private school -- and even then...), school admin certification, high-risk tests that will hold students back if they fail, and charter schools monitored by some state/gov't agent just to name a few.

                          The only ones not under some sort of gov't watch are the private schools, like religious schools, who do not get any sort of tax money funding. But, even with those, they have to follow the state learning standards.
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                          • kwame k
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 11302

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Ally_Kat
                            Schools aren't regulated by the gov't? We have state learning standards, state teacher certification (which you cannot teach without unless it's a private school -- and even then...), school admin certification, high-risk tests that will hold students back if they fail, and charter schools monitored by some state/gov't agent just to name a few.

                            The only ones not under some sort of gov't watch are the private schools, like religious schools, who do not get any sort of tax money funding. But, even with those, they have to follow the state learning standards.
                            Ally, I know schools are regulated and rereading my post I can see where it looks like I am saying they should be. My point being, certain things should be regulated by our government be it local, state, or federal governments. Cops, fire, 911 and other services are regulated by governments and they should be. I do not see how basic services shouldn't be regulated by governments.
                            Originally posted by vandeleur
                            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                            • ULTRAMAN VH
                              Commando
                              • May 2004
                              • 1480

                              #29
                              Originally posted by BITEYOASS
                              How about you stop listening to your master Glenn Beck!?!? While your at it, you can put the garlic and wooden stakes away, because Obama isn't a vampire.
                              I don't recall insinuating that he is a vampire, but he is proving to be a big spender. In just two-thirds of his 100 days as president, Vlad The Impaler OOPS! Sorry I meant Barrack Hussein Obama has spent more than any president to date and grown big government larger than any administration. Oh and don't forget the 140 million he blew on his historic inauguration. Although it is still a rediculously large amount of money, I believe passed Presidents only spent about 40 million for their extravaganzas. Gosh, he could have taken 100 million and made a payment on the National Debt or made a donation to America's homeless. Now that would have been "CHANGE".

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                              • LoungeMachine
                                DIAMOND STATUS
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 32576

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
                                . In just two-thirds of his 100 days as president, Vlad The Impaler OOPS! Sorry I meant Barrack Hussein Obama has spent more than any president to date and grown big government larger than any administration. .
                                Link?

                                Source?

                                Facts?

                                Originally posted by Kristy
                                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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