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  • BITEYOASS
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6530

    #16
    Originally posted by kwame k
    Jesus, what makes people go off like this?
    RW nutjob talk show hosts. That is just my theory.

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    • kwame k
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Feb 2008
      • 11302

      #17
      Originally posted by BITEYOASS
      RW nutjob talk show hosts. That is just my theory.
      Originally posted by vandeleur
      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        #18
        Originally posted by kwame k
        Thanks for the effort, Lord.
        P.S. Why haven't you answered my prayers? No hurry, just wondering.
        He did answer them.

        The answer was no



        Yeah, why is the "Christian" poster in here has the least amount of sympathy for the victims?
        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • sadaist
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jul 2004
          • 11625

          #19
          Originally posted by Jesus Christ
          Ye should seeth My "inbox" right now!

          (
          Reminds of the Jim Carrey movie where he just hit "Yes" reply to all. I'm guessing there are too many requests like "Dear God, please do such and such for me" rather than "Dear God, please help me remain strong and find my own strength to be able to handle such and such".

          But then, God is just a spaghetti monster, so best just to pray for some Parmesan cheese or extra meatballs.
          “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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          • kwame k
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Feb 2008
            • 11302

            #20
            Originally posted by sadaist
            But then, God is just a spaghetti monster, so best just to pray for some Parmesan cheese or extra meatballs.
            I'm on a diet, now what
            Originally posted by vandeleur
            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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            • kwame k
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Feb 2008
              • 11302

              #21
              As gunman's life fell apart, he took others'

              BINGHAMTON, N.Y. – Jiverly Wong was upset over losing his job at a vacuum plant, didn't like people picking on him for his limited English and once angrily told a co-worker, "America sucks."

              It remains unclear exactly why the Vietnamese immigrant strapped on a bulletproof vest, barged in on a citizenship class and killed 13 people and himself, but the Binghamton police chief says he knows one thing for sure: "He must have been a coward."

              Jiverly Wong had apparently been preparing for a gun battle with police but changed course and decided to turn the gun on himself when he heard sirens approaching, Chief Joseph Zikuski said Saturday.

              "He had a lot of ammunition on him, so thank God before more lives were lost, he decided to do that," the chief said.

              Police and Wong's acquaintances portrayed him as an angry, troubled 41-year-old man who struggled with drugs and job loss and perhaps blamed his adopted country for his troubles. His rampage "was not a surprise" to those who knew him, Zikuski said.

              "He felt degraded because people were apparently making fun of his poor English speaking," the chief said.

              Wong, who used the alias Jiverly Voong, believed people close to him were making fun of him for his poor English language skills, the chief said.

              Until last month, he had been taking classes at the American Civic Association, which teaches English to immigrants and helps them prepare for citizenship tests.

              Then, on Friday, he parked his car against the back door of the association, burst through the front doors and shot two receptionists, killing one, before moving on to a classroom where he claimed 12 more victims, police said.

              The police chief said that most of the dead had multiple gunshot wounds. Wong used two handguns — a 9 mm and a .45-caliber — for which he had obtained a permit more than a decade ago.

              The receptionist who survived, 61-year-old Shirley DeLucia, played dead, then called 911 despite her injuries and stayed on the line while the gunman remained in the building.

              "She's a hero in her own right," he said.

              Police initially said it took 90 minutes to rescue her. On Saturday, Zikuski said it was actually 39 minutes, and he said the police response followed all proper procedures.

              "The police did the right thing," he said.

              DeLucia remained in critical condition Saturday. The chief said she and three other hospitalized victims were all expected to survive, and that police were in no hurry to question her.

              "We're giving her a break. There's no reason to put her through that," he said.

              Binghamton police are withholding the names of victims until they have notified relatives and can release all the names at once. Each autopsy takes two to four hours, and authorities are struggling to track down families around the globe.

              Wong's tactics — including the body armor and copious ammunition — fit him into a category of killers called "pseudo-commandos," said Park Dietz, a criminologist and forensic psychiatrist at UCLA who analyzed the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado in 1999.

              Barricading the back doors to trap his prey "was his way of ensuring that he could maximize his kill rate," Dietz said. "This was all about anger, paranoia, and desperation."

              Wong was born in Vietnam to an ethnically Chinese family. He moved to the States in the early 1990s and soon afterward became a citizen, friends and relatives said. He worked at IBM for a time, friend Hue Huynh said, but decided to move to California.

              There, he worked for seven years at a caterer called Kikka Sushi, eventually making $9 an hour, said Paulus Lukas, the company's human resources manager.

              "He was really good at doing his job — we respected him for that," Lukas told the Los Angeles Times. "He's never late, he's always punctual. And when he finishes his job, he goes home. He doesn't complain, he doesn't argue with people. He gets along."

              But one day he simply didn't show up for work, Lukas told the Times. Early last year, he called asking the company to send his tax forms to a New York state address.

              Back in New York, he worked at the Shop-Vac plant in Binghamton. Former co-worker Kevin Greene told the Daily News of New York that Wong once said, in answer to whether he liked the New York Yankees, "No, I don't like that team. I don't like America. America sucks."

              Zikuski said Wong was fired from that job, where he assembled vacuum cleaners. That's apparently when things really started to go downhill.

              "People who end up doing this particular thing have an accumulation of stressers in their lives, and ultimately there is the one that broke the camel's back," Dietz said. "Job loss is one of the big ones, and those stressers are happening more often this year."

              Huynh, the 56-year-old proprietor of an Asian grocery store in Binghamton frequented by the gunman's sister, ran into Wong at the gym recently and noted that he was complaining about how he couldn't find work.

              His unemployment benefits were only $200 a week, and he lamented his bad luck, she said.

              "He's upset he don't have a job here. He come back and want to work," Huynh said. Her husband tried to cheer him up by saying that he was still young and had plenty of time to find work.

              Wong's story is similar to how friends were describing the recent trials of a man accused of opening fire on Pittsburgh police officers during a domestic dispute Saturday, killing three of them. They said he had recently been upset about losing his job; police say that, like Wong, he was wearing a bulletproof vest.

              A woman reached at the home who identified herself as Wong's sister told The Associated Press late Friday she did not believe he was the gunman. "I think somebody involved, not him," she said.

              That's not an unusual response, Dietz said.

              "What will be revealed if the investigation goes deep enough is that many people in a shooter's world knew that he was angry, mad, unreasonable, scary at times, and recently some of them came to learn that he was threatening and armed," said Dietz, who is not involved in the Binghamton investigation.

              "They've known that for a long time, but none of them did what they should have done with that information."

              State police got tips suggesting that Wong may have been planning a bank robbery in 1999, possibly to support a crack-cocaine addiction, Zikuski said. But the robbery never happened, and Zikuski had no other information.

              Wong's father was well-known in the Binghamton area through his work years ago at the now-defunct World Relief Organization, helping recent immigrants find a doctor and obtain food stamps.

              "Everyone, when they come to America, he's the one who helps," said Ty Tran, who came to the United States in 1990.

              Mark Preston, 48, a neighbor of the gunman in Johnson City, outside Binghamton, said people in the family keep to themselves but often tended the bushes in their yard.

              "They grow great vegetables and roses," he said.

              ___

              Associated Press writers John Wawrow in Buffalo, N.Y., and John Kekis in Binghamton contributed to this report.

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              Originally posted by vandeleur
              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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              • kwame k
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Feb 2008
                • 11302

                #22
                Jesus, with over 6 million people out of work, I wonder how many more rampages there are going to be.
                Originally posted by vandeleur
                E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32942

                  #23
                  Originally posted by kwame k
                  Jesus, what makes people go off like this?
                  People who feel they have nothing to lose and want revenge and attention. They know they are going to die but they want to sting what they hate most and go down in a blaze of glory with the police.

                  Basically, these people have been percolating in hate for a long time. Normal people don't exist in this realm of hate and so normal people don't get it. That's because normal people have something to live for. These nut cases are lost and full of so much hate and hopelessness, they just snap and fullfill their fantasy that they have prepared for.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Nitro Express
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 32942

                    #24
                    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                    Oh, STFU with that shit, moron.



                    Racism probably had more to do with motive, considering where he just got laid off from.

                    Racism. Look in the mirror.
                    Bad economies always flames the racial hate. Just look at what the failure of the Reichs Mark did in Germany. Do you think the Hollocaust would have happened in a good economy? Desperate and angry people always need a scape goat. Heck. The fighting stopped in Northern Ireland when the economy got better there and they will go back to killing each other once the economy sours and they need a scape goat again.

                    People have been doing this for thousands of years.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32942

                      #25
                      Originally posted by kwame k
                      There are certain guns that should be banned and certain people who shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Having said that, if they would just enforce the existing laws and close up the loopholes, I'd be happy.
                      The thing is. People who are capable of mass murder are capable of doing anything. Guns laws aren't going to stop maniacs. You can buy anything if you want it bad enough. Just look at the drug trade. If you want to score a weapon and you want it bad enough. Laws won't stop you.

                      The people we are talking about here are basically suicidal and there seems to be more and more of them. If they don't do it with a gun, they will do it a different way. Hell. Pick a busy sidewalk and hit the accelerator of your car and steer into the killing zone. Rent a big truck for more damage.

                      Guns are tools. The problem is the mind of these maniacs. We seem to live in the age of fruit salad.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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