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  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    10 Cars That Sank Detroit

    The global financial crisis is suffocating the Detroit automakers, but the problems at General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler have been festering for years—even when the mighty "Big Three" were earning billions. Aging factories, inflexible unions, arrogant executives and shoddy quality have all damaged Detroit. Now, with panicky consumers fleeing showrooms, catastrophe looms:



    There will be plenty of business-school case studies analyzing all the automakers' wrong turns. But, as they say in the industry, it all comes down to product. So here are 10 cars that help explain the demise of Detroit: GM and Chrysler need a multibillion-dollar government bailout to survive, and both could be in bankruptcy by summer if they don't meet tough government demands. Ford hasn't asked for a bailout—yet—but it's bleeding cash and racing the clock to turn itself around.


    Ford Pinto. This ill-fated subcompact came to epitomize the arrogance of Big Auto. Ford hurried the Pinto to market in the early 1970s to battle cheap imports like the Volkswagen Beetle that were selling for less than $2,000. Initial sales were strong, but quality problems emerged. Then came the infamous safety problems with exploding fuel tanks, which Ford refused to acknowledge. Message: The customer comes last. "The problems for the domestics really started in the '70s when they were offering cars like the Pinto up against higher-tech, better-built Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics," says Jack Nerad of Kelley Blue Book.



    Chevrolet Cavalier. GM sold millions of Cavaliers in the 1980s—and decided the thrifty car was so successful the company didn't need to update it for more than a decade. To milk the model, GM even added some lipstick and high heels and tried to peddle the upgrade as the Cadillac Cimarron—a legendary flop. Honda and Toyota, meanwhile, were updating their competing models every four or five years, and grabbing market share with each quality improvement. A new Cavalier came out in the mid 1990s—then languished for another decade, while GM put most of its money into big trucks and SUVs. GM has since improved its small cars. "But they have to be miles better than the imports for Americans to forget how bad their small cars used to be," says Jamie Page Deaton of U.S. News's Rankings and Reviews car-ranking site. Even if they are better, many Americans wonder why they should give Detroit a second—or third—chance.



    Chevrolet Astro. While Chrysler, Toyota, and Honda were refining their minivans in the 1990s and coming up with innovations like hideaway seats and electric sliding doors, GM was offering an old, truck-based van gussied up with carpeting and cupholders. "It showed GM's repeated failure to market competitive products based on styling and packaging," says Tom Libby of J. D. Power & Associates. The Astro drove like a bread truck, and consumers noticed. It also earned the worst safety ratings in its class. Before long, GM was effectively out of the minivan segment. No biggie—those were just mainstream American families the automaker decided to ignore.



    Ford Taurus. Try to explain this logic: After its 1986 debut, the Taurus became a perennial bestseller. So for the next 20 years, Ford let quality decline and neglected the family sedan, while pouring love and money into trucks and SUVs. By early this decade, the Taurus had become a dowdy, rental-lot staple. So Ford simply retired the Taurus in 2006 and replaced it with the 500 sedan—which went on to set records as one of the most short-lived models ever. A year later, Ford revived the Taurus name and applied it to a bastardized 500. But by then, the damage was done.



    Ford Explorer. This breakout vehicle helped launch SUVs and drove record profits at Ford in the 1990s, as Americans flocked to big utilities that could take them off-road if they ever got adventurous. It also blinded Ford to the future. "Executives could not see beyond the green piling up at their feet," says David Magee, author of How Toyota Became No. 1. "The Explorer helped create an addiction that lasted 15 years." GM and Chrysler followed right behind, with SUVs like the Chevy Trailblazer and the Dodge Durango—lockstep moves that reveal how the Detroit automakers focused on each other rather than the broader marketplace.



    Jaguar X-Type. Ford bought the British luxury brand Jaguar in 1990, when all three Detroit automakers were seeking ways to expand their global reach. Eventually, Ford decided to build an entry-level Jaguar starting at around $30,000 for people looking to move up from, say, a Mercury Marquis. The down-market move "represented everything that Jaguar is not," says Libby of J. D. Power. The X-Type was built on an ordinary sedan platform from elsewhere in Ford's lineup, and the front-wheel-drive system underwhelmed enthusiasts used to rear-drive European makes. Jag purists were horrified, and aspiring luxury buyers shunned the X-Type in favor of BMWs, Lexuses, and Acuras. After fumbling the luxury brand for nearly two decades, Ford sold Jaguar to an Indian conglomerate in 2008.



    Hummer H2. It sure seemed cool back in 2003, when gas was less than $2 per gallon. And it sure seems gaudy now. This supersized SUV clearly had a heyday, but it also helped paint parent company GM as an enviro-hostile corporation that sold only gas guzzlers. Sales collapsed as gas prices rose toward $4 a gallon in mid-2008, and GM has been trying to sell the division for six months—with no takers, so far. "GM wanted to make Hummer a signature company brand," says Magee. "Instead, it showed the company was out of touch with the needs of the 21st century."



    Toyota Prius. While GM was spending $1 billion to build up the Hummer franchise, Toyota was spending $1 billion to develop a high-mileage hybrid—even though gas prices were still low. After the Prius debuted in the United States in 2000, GM execs seized yet another opportunity to display their intimate knowledge of American consumers, arguing that hybrids didn't make economic sense and that only environmentalists would buy them. Today, Toyota can barely keep up with demand for the Prius, and it has plans to start building them in the United States. GM, meanwhile, is scrambling to rush hybrids and other high-mileage cars into dealerships—far too late.



    Chrysler Sebring. Did Chrysler engineers set out to build the world's most boring car? Of course not. Yet Chrysler still produces this blandmobile to keep assembly lines running and maintain a presence, however weak, in the sedan market. In the new Darwinian auto industry, this model seems destined for extinction, since the only way to sell marginal cars is with steep discounts, which money-losing automakers can no longer afford. In fact, if Chrysler ends up being carved into pieces and sold to competitors, as many analysts expect, most of its passenger-car lineup could get the axe, since there's little to distinguish it. Besides—what's a sebring, anyway?



    Jeep Compass. Quick, what's the difference between the Jeep Compass, the Jeep Liberty, and the Jeep Patriot? The bosses at Chrysler, which owns Jeep, could explain, but the real answer is that Chrysler has oversaturated its strongest brand lineup in a desperate attempt to boost sales. "The Compass is not needed," says James Bell of Intellichoice.com. "Just the Liberty, please." The Compass has the same mechanical underpinnings as the Dodge Caliber, which helps illustrate one of Detroit's favorite tricks: Create multiple versions of every product under a bunch of different brand names, hoping that if buyers shun one, they'll take a more favorable view of another. Message to Detroit: Consumers aren't that stupid. Give them a bit more credit, and you might have a future.

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    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D
  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    #2
    What the hell, I figured we could use a change of pace.
    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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    • hideyoursheep
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2007
      • 6351

      #3
      I agree with everything except the Taurus take...I'd put more blame on the Tempo.

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      • kwame k
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Feb 2008
        • 11302

        #4
        Originally posted by hideyoursheep
        I agree with everything except the Taurus take...I'd put more blame on the Tempo.

        Can't argue with that. I never knew there were so many Jeep off shoots.
        Originally posted by vandeleur
        E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          #5
          The Cars That Drove Detroit's Customers Away

          When I wrote recently about 10 cars that sank Detroit, I was too stingy. Apparently, there are way more than 10.



          Hundreds of readers wrote to ask how we could have left the Chevy Nova off the list, or the Pontiac Aztek, or a number of other models that left a long legacy of buyer's remorse.



          Many of Detroit's notorious bombs date to the 1970s and 1980s, and the car companies' offerings are much better today. But car buyers have long memories--and many remain unmoved by the current plight of the Detroit automakers. General Motors and Chrysler are now at the government's mercy, in need of billions in federal aid just to stay afloat. If they don't fulfill tough government demands, Chrysler could be forced into bankruptcy by early April, GM by early May. Ford hasn't asked for bailout money, but it's bleeding cash too.


          The Detroit 3 have been hoping that Americans will rally to support the home team. But instead, more than half of Americans oppose the auto bailout. One reason is that they feel repeatedly disappointed--even swindled --by the companies now asking for their help. Virtually every automaker, including Honda and Toyota, has produced a clunker or two. But the following cars left behind particularly noxious memories, often because the companies that built them refused to help fix the problems. Here's how some of the owners themselves feel about the cars and the companies that built them:



          Chevrolet Vega (1970s). "I had a 1972 Vega. My family struggled to purchase the car for me as their contribution to college, as I was putting myself through school. I loved the car. It was zippy and great for a college student.



          “Then two years later, the car simply died. The aluminum-block engine had cracked under heat. I was told I could replace the engine, but lacking resources, I sold it as junk. A two-year-old car!



          “I returned to walking and rarely came home from college.



          “A small car born during the first gas crisis had great potential, but GM's arrogance doomed it and sent millions of potential buyers to Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc. Wake up, Detroit!" –Robert Marino, Gillette, N.J.



          Ford Mustang II (1970s). "I don't know if this is one of the cars that sank America, but as my first car, my Ford Mustang II certainly sank ME-- and started me on a long road of hating American-made cars. Never mind the oil pump that couldn't pump oil (the valves would routinely grind themselves into oblivion), or how I'd literally find puddles of oil--in the air filter. As I grew older and began to understand the importance of branding and saw the emotional way people bond with their cars, I wondered, did the world even need a four- cylinder Mustang? Clearly, even as far back as 1978, a lot was wrong in Detroit." –Monty Nicol, Calgary, Alberta, Canada



          Chevrolet Nova (1970s). "I learned to drive in a ’72 Nova. I love Novas for sentimental reasons. However, I cursed them at the time. No one I knew had one whose radiator didn’t leak. If it wouldn’t put so many people out of work, I’d say good riddance to Detroit.” –John Waldron, Land O’Lakes, Florida



          Dodge Omni (1970s–1980s). “The worst car I ever bought. At 200 miles, I had to take it in to get the carburetor gasket replaced. The four-speed shift linkage was held together with plastic clips. After the first clip broke and disconnected the transmission from the shift lever, I always carried spare clips ($1 at the dealer). I went through four or five distributor caps. They would crack, the car would run rough, and the catalytic converter would overheat. It is scary looking at a converter glowing a dull orange-red color! I went through several alternators--the bearings would seize. Finally, at about 80,000 miles, the engine was getting 300 miles to a quart of oil and running hot--and I do take care of my cars. Then a teenage driver hit the car and his insurance company took it off my hands. I haven’t bought a Chrysler car since (except a 1969 Dodge Charger muscle car for fun driving)." –Jim Miller, Lakeville, Minn.



          Oldsmobile Cutlass and 98 diesels (1980s). "I bought an Olds Diesel in '78. It was big and comfortable and got great mileage. I wanted to keep it forever. But GM made sure this was a car that would not last forever. The engine self-destructed regularly because GM took a gas engine and converted it to diesel. The fuel injection failed. Others had problems with the transmission, which was undersized for the job. I got rid of it and haven't owned an American car since. Toyotas last forever." –Michael Keiser, San Leandro, Calif.



          Buick Skylark (1980s, similar to Chevy Citation, Pontiac Phoenix, and Oldsmobile Omega). “The original 1950s Skylark was a fascinating design effort. So they hung onto the name and eventually slapped it on a bottom-of-the-line sedan, where they forgot everything they may ever have known about quality. The body-parts fit was terrible (I could slip my finger between the trunk lid and the body). The interior was cheap, shoddy and plastic. The seating was apparently designed by those who never sit down--the front seat was effectively level on the sitting part, which meant you were inclined to slide forward. There was no attention given to those who might drive more than a mile in the thing at a time. It was insulting to the intelligence of the American public.” –Tom Anthony, York, Maine



          Dodge Neon (introduced in 1994). “The first generation was cool because it was different. Then, the all-new model was introduced in 2000, with a standard three-speed automatic transmission. In 2000! My 1997 Hyundai Elantra commuter car came standard with a four-speed automatic. The Neon also had ridiculous reliability and durability issues, and younger customers were alienated from the lack of a two-door. It's almost as if Chrysler assumed people would buy their cars even though this one was at least a step behind.” – Matthew Boisvert, Windsor, Ontario, Canada



          Chevy Lumina (1990s). “Another ‘futuristic’-looking vehicle that was made of such inferior materials that, while the six-cylinder engine may last forever and the plastic body may never rust, the plastic everything else is constantly breaking. (Who in their right mind would make the guts of door latch assemblies out of plastic? When they break, you can't open the door.). Plus, the glass costs more than the vehicle. If you don't believe me, ask a glass shop what they charge for a replacement 1990 Lumina APV windscreen sometime. The price is invariably three times the Kelley Blue Book value of the vehicle itself in near-mint condition.” –Carl Bibbee, Lancaster, Ohio



          Pontiac Aztek (2001–2005). "Arguably, the ugliest, least desirable vehicle ever designed by GM. They took an otherwise acceptable SUV platform (shared with the Buick Rendezvous), gave it a drooping rear--which served to reduce interior volume and looked dreadful as well--plastered it with plastic body cladding, and then gave it a face only a mother could love. The thing had so many odd creases and bizarre angles, it looked as if it had been in a wreck sitting there on the showroom floor." –Bruce Lindner, Milwaukie, Ore.



          Pontiac Montana (late 1990s/early 2000s, similar to Chevy Venture and Oldsmobile Silhouette). “We bought a used 2000 Pontiac Montana in 2003. During the next two years, we poured over $6,000 in repairs into this horrible vehicle. This van had the six-cylinder engine that we were told was the ‘backbone of the GM fleet.’ Two separate times we had to replace the intake gasket, at an average cost of over $700. I sent E-mails to GM about this. It was a problem with the engine coolant. When a GM vice president called my wife, he stated, ‘Well, you do realize that this vehicle does have over 65,000 miles on it?’ GM lost my business for the rest of my car-buying days, and possibly also that of my teenage children, who were amazed at the lack of action on the part of GM.



          “I now own an Audi. Why would I ever buy another car from them with so many other car brands available? I often wonder if the executive who contacted us got a nice bonus.” –Don Boyer, Midland, Mich.

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          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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          • twonabomber
            formerly F A T
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Jan 2004
            • 11294

            #6
            Grimes has an Aztek. :D
            Writing In All Proper Case Takes Extra Time, Is Confusing To Read, And Is Completely Pointless.

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            • Big Train
              Full Member Status

              • Apr 2004
              • 4013

              #7
              Ah the Aztek....I once heard a friend describe it as an "angry toaster". Had to agree.

              While none of this discount the other woes of the auto industry, shitty products never help.
              I think the lesson is that you put out a real shit box, or many as is the case and it bleeds over into every good car you make too. How many times have you heard "buy a reliable Honda or Toyota, they are bulletproof". I'm sure the new Malibu is a great car, but the damage to that nameplate will take 4 versions of a great Malibu to overcome.

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              • hideyoursheep
                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                • Jan 2007
                • 6351

                #8
                And to think at one time the Malibu used to be something to behold..

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                • sadaist
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11625

                  #9
                  The author needs a bit more education on this subject. The Ford Explorer did not usher in SUV's. It was the Ford Bronco & Bronco II, and Chevy Blazer & S-10 Blazer.

                  S-10's are still to be found every day. I haven't seen a crappy Bronco II in at least 15 years. They were absolutely horrible. Remember the rear side windows that curved upwards onto the roof a bit? UGLY The S-10 Blazers had cleaner lines and were much better built.

                  When I first had an S-10 Blazer, the insurance companies had to classify it as a station wagon because there wasn't a category for any "sport utility" type vehicles.



                  “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49563

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kwame k
                    ....

                    Ford Pinto. This ill-fated subcompact came to epitomize the arrogance of Big Auto. Ford hurried the Pinto to market in the early 1970s to battle cheap imports like the Volkswagen Beetle that were selling for less than $2,000. Initial sales were strong, but quality problems emerged. Then came the infamous safety problems with exploding fuel tanks, which Ford refused to acknowledge. Message: The customer comes last. "The problems for the domestics really started in the '70s when they were offering cars like the Pinto up against higher-tech, better-built Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics," says Jack Nerad of Kelley Blue Book.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49563

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                      I agree with everything except the Taurus take...I'd put more blame on the Tempo.
                      My parents have Tauruses, and they're decent cars. But if you read the article, the Taurus started very strong and was left to languish with few updates and the 500-Taurus is really for gramps...

                      The new one coming out is killer though...

                      And the Tempo was horrible to drive, but decent in snow and simple to work on. I drove a gov't Tempo in the Army...

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49563

                        #12
                        ....


                        “I now own an Audi. Why would I ever buy another car from them with so many other car brands available? I often wonder if the executive who contacted us got a nice bonus.” –Don Boyer, Midland, Mich.

                        Except Audis are unreliable, overpriced pieces of shit too....but they have nice styling...

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                        • Matt White
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 20569

                          #13
                          God...I can remember being a kid in the early-mid 70's...and the news reports on the poor Pinto owners who had their cars EXPLODE on them.....

                          I can remember seeing some on the survivors....BRUTAL

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                          • chefcraig
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 12172

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Except Audis are unreliable, overpriced pieces of shit too....but they have nice styling...
                            And had that unfortunate "Unexplainable Acceleration Syndrome" where you'd put the car in drive and it would unexpectedly blast off to top speed. A fine way to start any morning.

                            How could any list be complete without the Pacer? For the truly deranged, there was an option for the interior to be made out of Levis. There was nothing quite like driving your own aquarium.

                            Last edited by chefcraig; 04-04-2009, 09:45 AM.









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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49563

                              #15
                              ...dupe
                              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 04-04-2009, 09:53 AM. Reason: double post, WTF?

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