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  • Big Train
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    • Apr 2004
    • 4013

    Obama Apologists, Please defend this?

    I realize this guy is from Fox and it's a WSJ op-ed piece (saving four or five posts about that), but how do you defend, in this time and economic climate, the government NOT taking back their money and giving up control? More importantly, the desire to continue to control?




    Obama Wants to Control the Banks
    There's a reason he refuses to accept repayment of TARP money.
    By STUART VARNEY

    I must be naive. I really thought the administration would welcome the return of bank bailout money. Some $340 million in TARP cash flowed back this week from four small banks in Louisiana, New York, Indiana and California. This isn't much when we routinely talk in trillions, but clearly that money has not been wasted or otherwise sunk down Wall Street's black hole. So why no cheering as the cash comes back?

    My answer: The government wants to control the banks, just as it now controls GM and Chrysler, and will surely control the health industry in the not-too-distant future. Keeping them TARP-stuffed is the key to control. And for this intensely political president, mere influence is not enough. The White House wants to tell 'em what to do. Control. Direct. Command.

    It is not for nothing that rage has been turned on those wicked financiers. The banks are at the core of the administration's thrust: By managing the money, government can steer the whole economy even more firmly down the left fork in the road.

    If the banks are forced to keep TARP cash -- which was often forced on them in the first place -- the Obama team can work its will on the financial system to unprecedented degree. That's what's happening right now.

    Here's a true story first reported by my Fox News colleague Andrew Napolitano (with the names and some details obscured to prevent retaliation). Under the Bush team a prominent and profitable bank, under threat of a damaging public audit, was forced to accept less than $1 billion of TARP money. The government insisted on buying a new class of preferred stock which gave it a tiny, minority position. The money flowed to the bank. Arguably, back then, the Bush administration was acting for purely economic reasons. It wanted to recapitalize the banks to halt a financial panic.

    Fast forward to today, and that same bank is begging to give the money back. The chairman offers to write a check, now, with interest. He's been sitting on the cash for months and has felt the dead hand of government threatening to run his business and dictate pay scales. He sees the writing on the wall and he wants out. But the Obama team says no, since unlike the smaller banks that gave their TARP money back, this bank is far more prominent. The bank has also been threatened with "adverse" consequences if its chairman persists. That's politics talking, not economics.

    Think about it: If Rick Wagoner can be fired and compact cars can be mandated, why can't a bank with a vault full of TARP money be told where to lend? And since politics drives this administration, why can't special loans and terms be offered to favored constituents, favored industries, or even favored regions? Our prosperity has never been based on the political allocation of credit -- until now.

    Which brings me to the Pay for Performance Act, just passed by the House. This is an outstanding example of class warfare. I'm an Englishman. We invented class warfare, and I know it when I see it. This legislation allows the administration to dictate pay for anyone working in any company that takes a dime of TARP money. This is a whip with which to thrash the unpopular bankers, a tool to advance the Obama administration's goal of controlling the financial system.

    After 35 years in America, I never thought I would see this. I still can't quite believe we will sit by as this crisis is used to hand control of our economy over to government. But here we are, on the brink. Clearly, I have been naive.
  • lesfunk
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    • Jan 2004
    • 3583

    #2
    and it's only just beginning...
    http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=4448212&t=o GIFSoup

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    • lesfunk
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      • Jan 2004
      • 3583

      #3
      I hate George W. Bush and those of his ilk who allowed it to come to this.
      Like Wolfie in VH, However, It was inevitable. We get the leaders we deserve in the end. I fear time will prove President Obama to be just another example .
      Last edited by lesfunk; 04-05-2009, 01:35 PM.
      http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=4448212&t=o GIFSoup

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49567

        #4
        About time somebody got hold of the banking system, and the clowns who run some of it...

        The banks were temporarily nationalized in both the UK and Sweden and fiscal order was restored, as opposed to Japan which only sent bailout money and stimulus checks and floundered in a decade long recession causing them to produce weird gameshows and pornographic anime featuring bears and school girls....

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        • Blaze
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          • Jan 2009
          • 4371

          #5
          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
          About time somebody got hold of the banking system, and the clowns who run some of it...

          The banks were temporarily nationalized in both the UK and Sweden and fiscal order was restored, as opposed to Japan which only sent bailout money and stimulus checks and floundered in a decade long recession causing them to produce weird gameshows and pornographic anime featuring bears and school girls....

          Thome really not a big help when trying to recover a nation is he...
          "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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          • Big Train
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            • Apr 2004
            • 4013

            #6
            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
            About time somebody got hold of the banking system, and the clowns who run some of it...

            The banks were temporarily nationalized in both the UK and Sweden and fiscal order was restored, as opposed to Japan which only sent bailout money and stimulus checks and floundered in a decade long recession causing them to produce weird gameshows and pornographic anime featuring bears and school girls....
            THAT'S YOUR DEFENSE OF THIS? It's about time someone grabbed control of perfectly healthy companies, some who have not even asked for assistance and force money upon them? Then when they want to give the money back, they are not allowed? This is "getting control of them"? This is what COMMUNISTS do, pure and simple. There is no logic or defense for this at all. It is a political play at BEST and a complete rewrite of our way of doing business for the last 200+ years. Not to mention, they already had control of the banks a hundred different ways, if they ever want to stick to enforcing existing rules.

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              #7
              Originally posted by Big Train
              THAT'S YOUR DEFENSE OF THIS?
              BT, he's brainwashed...

              Don't even bother...

              I wonder if Obama knows when or where his bullet will arive ??

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49567

                #8
                Originally posted by Big Train
                THAT'S YOUR DEFENSE OF THIS?
                Defense of what? This was a speculative op-ed piece at best...not policy...

                It's about time someone grabbed control of perfectly healthy companies, some who have not even asked for assistance and force money upon them?
                So "perfectly healthy," that they refuse to lend money and are basically stagnate, "zombie-banks" that continue to fluster the economy and stockpile assets...

                Then when they want to give the money back, they are not allowed? This is "getting control of them"? This is what COMMUNISTS do, pure and simple.
                It's also what democratic countries do to force necessary change in a very flawed, under-regulated banking system that is obstructionist or is "too big to fail."

                BTW, which communist regime forced the banks to take their money, or rather lent the banks money to lend, then refused to take it back?

                More alarmist red-baiting...

                There is no logic or defense for this at all. It is a political play at BEST and a complete rewrite of our way of doing business for the last 200+ years. Not to mention, they already had control of the banks a hundred different ways, if they ever want to stick to enforcing existing rules.
                There is no logical defense of the current US banking system that allows for institutions to be "too big to fail" and banks that refuse to lend after years of giving loans to people who might not really have been qualified with predatory lending practices...that certainly HAS NOT been how we've been "doing business for the last 200+ years." Try the last 20 or 30...

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49567

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ELVIS
                  BT, he's brainwashed...

                  Don't even bother...

                  I wonder if Obama knows when or where his bullet will arive ??
                  Right, coming from conspiracy boy that jacks-off to crap radio and believes Obama wants to take 'is guuuunnnns!

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #10
                    Ok, you're right...

                    PLEASE DISPERSE! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!


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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59648

                      #11
                      Which hospital do you work at, ELVIS?

                      I'm sure the Secret Service would love to talk to you about when the President should expect a "bullet to arrive".
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • ELVIS
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 44120

                        #12
                        I heard he ordered a Bullitt Mustang...



                        Sorry 'bout the spelling mistakes...


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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Last edited by ELVIS; 04-06-2009, 04:04 PM. Reason: BANG!

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                          • Blaze
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                            • Jan 2009
                            • 4371

                            #14
                            Oh Elvis! Just wait till you see the next batch of illuminated videos!
                            You'll surely have droves finding your enlightened path! :D
                            "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                            • swage33
                              Head Fluffer
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 311

                              #15
                              Regardless of who is in office, if you accept government assistance you run the risk of having to bow to government influence. Here is something else, If you are a corporate or banking "big wig" what in the hell would persuade you to seek help from the government? Aren't corporate elite the epitome of the GOP? As painful as it may be, the failures need to fail.
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