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Yuo fellas know what ??
I don't give a flying fuck about how many times this terrorist has been waterboarded or tortured or whatever...
According to the 9/11 Commission Report he was "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks."
If that's so, cut his fucking head off as far as I care!
You old pussies are so fucking sensitive towards the enemy...I'd be willing to bet most of you didn't have these passionate feelings towards assholes like Kahlid back when you were 20years old and still had a functioning brain...
Jesus guys, stop trying to prove how caring and passionate you are when there are some actual enemies slowly ploting to kill us...
Fuck 'em!
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I wonder if one word of what we got out of him saved even one innocent life. I just hate seeing a guy wearing his new birthday tie he got from his kids jump from the 98th floor of a building cause it's a better gameplan than burning. Waterboarding? Sheik got off easy. We should have pushed his fat hairy ass out of an airplane as high up as possible so he had a lot of time to think about his impending splat. MEAT BOMB! DIRT TORPEDO! Or pull out a rusty knife & Nick Berg his ass. Maybe dry sponge his head and do the Green Mile shock treatment.
It's not like this guy is proclaiming his innocence in any of this. Fuck him, fuck his rights, fuck giving him a Snuggie to wrap up in during his Quran time, fuck not feeding him certain foods because it's against his religion, fuck everything about this piece of shit.
And as for any future potential terrorists that find out what happened to him...let them be mad as hell....and scared to death.“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”Comment
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WTF, does pleasure kills have to do with being 20, Elvis?
Justice is justice. Termination of life is to be given in a controlled and unemotional manor when law prescribes.
Weren't you one of the one's whining about corporal punishment?
FACT: Torture does not produce reliable results.
Matter of fact, corporal punishment or any punishment, including death or the threat of death, does not produce results if the person truly believes in the justification of the crime. Be it greed or hate or whatever,.....Hell, look how A.T. crucified himself for a deviant belief.
Are you one of the one's that think 9/11 was an inside job???
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,
Did this guy do it? Or the goverment???
Just simply :ROLLEYES:Last edited by Blaze; 04-20-2009, 07:32 AM."I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. SeusssigpicComment
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"I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. SeusssigpicComment
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No what it is is that your stance on all this stuff is immature.
Once you are older and wiser you realize that the movie action hero stuff isn't the way the real world works. If you do the instinctive thing of kicking this guys ass you actually end up harming yourself more than you ever harm him. You fall right into his trap and that's only with the guilty ones never mind the innocents.
I see you are now focusing on this guy who is one of the very few from Gitmo who appear to be guilty of something. Previously you were saying kill them, torture those bastards about a bunch of people who have been proved to have been completely innocent i.e. the other 95% of the detainees.
So you were completely wrong morally, legally, spiritually and politically then but don't seem to have learned anything from that at all.Comment
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No where was this more born out than in Iraq, where the use of intense interrogation techniques and coercion actually added a lot of gasoline and fuel to the fire of the Iraqi insurgency. And this was long BEFORE the photos from Abu Ghraib came out. Nor was the mistreatment of prisoners by US personnel and Iraqi Shiite-militia pricks confined to Abu Ghraib by a long margin..
Especially in light of the fact of the "moralist stance" of the US when condemning Saddam's "torture chambers."Comment
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That we know of. I'm sure even these records released don't tell the whole story. But I hope you & the info is correct. Either way, I feel no sympathy for anything that happens to the sheik. Keep him alive for another 40 years just so we can torture his ass everyday. Execution is too good for him.“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”Comment
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Torture is only effective in supressing people by scaring the hell out of them. The Romans used crucifiction on political rebels because they were having problems with fanatics who didn't care if they died stiring up trouble. Ok. You may not care if you die for your cause but if you are caught you will die a slow agonizing death. It was effective.
A better way of getting information is bribery. Look at how many secrets the KGB got out of people by bribing them. Money and a nice piece of ass goes farther than torture in the information game.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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You can't tell me the Abu Graib style monkey games didn't go on in Gitmo. I've dealt with Customs Agents who if they could get away with it would be sheer terror. There is a certain mentality in some people in these jobs that are looking for it. As an example, my brother in law used to fly illegal alliens back to Mexico and one INS agent told him he couldn't wait for the day. My brother in law as day for what? The INS agent said the day one of those wetbacks caused trouble and he could shoot him. Give some bored, pissed, and egoed super Bubba some authority and turn a blind eye and they can create hell on earth in a hurry.No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!Comment
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Oh please. That we know of? The gov't has never been shy about lauding the most dubious of "victories in the War on Terra." And as of yet, no serious plot was ever uncovered. A lot of bullshit ones, many of them completely made up under torture such as the "Brooklyn Bridge" plot ironically, were ballyhooed, then quietly dropped as they fell apart against any sort of actual scrutiny (namely, the guy that was supposed to have carried out that particular bombing was mentally retarded, and could barely survive on his own). The only one that is even close was the Dick Reid "shoe-bomber" plot that WASN'T discovered via torture and was stopped because the terrorist was again mentally retarded or insane, and observant passengers jumped him...
No significant terror conviction has been made resulting from a supposed plot on US soil that isn't highly dubious, and most people picked up on the terror-dragnet were actually convicted of minor offenses...
But remember Sadie, always trust the gov't as long as people like Bush and Cheney run it. Right?Comment
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Torture is used most effectively by totalitarian regimes, not just for intimidation but, to "get confessions." Something completely useless in a democracy that observes the rule of law in criminal trial proceedings --a key lesson lost on the idiots that reached back into much US military research (meant to be defensive for purposes of training US servicemen to be potential POWs) to come up with much of the torture regime used by the US gov't...
And Abu Ghraib and GITMO did not ever intimidate potential terrorists/insurgent fighters, such policies helped created and motivate new ones...Comment
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Another article that discusses another terrorist as well as Khalid...
NYT: 2 suspects waterboarded 266 times - The New York Times- msnbc.comComment
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