Chrysler Going Bankrupt: Fiat Merger Ahead

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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Originally posted by Igosplut
    So bad so I remember a guy that worked for a Chrysler dealer telling me they used to undo just the head bolts, nothing else and pick the head assembly up with an engine crane and just slide the head gasket out-and-in to beat the flat rate time they had so many to do.
    That wouldn't work...


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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49567

      Originally posted by ELVIS
      The top is a new Nissan Z, great car...

      The bottom is a new Toyota Corolla piece of shit...


      The Z is great. But I think I'd rather have a 'Vette...

      And why people buy those Corollas over a Mazda3 I have no idea...I guess they're reliable "appliance" cars, but boring and they drive like shit. At least a 3 and a Civic handle well...

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      • Igosplut
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 2794

        Originally posted by ELVIS
        That wouldn't work...


        Yea it did. Probably not for a long time though.

        I've heard all kinds of story's from dealer techs trying to short-cut flat rate time.
        Chainsaw Muthuafucka

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          I smell Bilderberg involvment in the Chrysler/Fiat merger. It's makes no economic sense, something smells.

          We all remember when recently Obama asked for a FIAT-CHRYSLER partnership as a pre-requisite to help CHRYSLER. Many wondered why that should be, since FIAT is such a small and pretty insignificant brand in the world of car-makers.

          I am italian and I assure you that even from our small province this request appeared as pretty strange.

          I think that the answer is in the Bilderberg attendees list, since one of the members is John Elkann, vice-chairman and major shareholder of FIAT (while a FORMER member was the CEO of Damien Chrysler).

          For some reason, I think that the FIAT-CHRYSLER deal interests Obama as an exchange of favors with John Elkann and the european/italian front he represents.
          In this scenario Obama is saving FIAT (which despite what is being said, has big problems) for some obscure reason which has a lot to do with Bilderberg inside-games and very little with what is convenient for the American citizen who will pay for this deal.

          It can be also interesting to look into the story of the Elkann family, for example how they got FIAT from the hands of the Agnelli family. Edoardo Agnelli, the heir of the Agnelli family, a family that founded FIAT and owned it for decades, was found dead years ago in a very strange suicide accident (further note: he was a converted muslim; the Elkann family is a jewish family: it seems unlikely that these two fronts could cohabit inside the corporation, so one of the two had to prevail); other members of the family more recently publicly protested the ways by which the Elkann family got hold of the majority of FIAT and divided the money with other branches of the Agnelli family.

          Anyway, John Elkann and Lapo Elkann have big protectors and links with the top elite... this was obvious also when last year Lapo Elkann was involved in a big cocaine+prostitutes scandal, went to the U.S. for rehab, and was later shown in the media as receiving friendly advices for his career from Henry Kissinger in person. What happened is that nobody ventured talking about the scandal anymore, and after few months Lapo Elkann was back as a hero for having pitched the supposedly winning "new FIAT 500" market strategy.

          In all, it is a story worth looking into, starting from a deal that I am sure nobody at Chrysler really see as advantageous, but that they will be forced to do anyway, because Obama said so.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32942

            Originally posted by ELVIS
            Well, that's what I read earlier...

            BTW, The K-car along with Mr. Iacocca is what saved chrysler, and The K platform was the basis for the Caravan all the way up to the current model...

            They may have been ugly on the outside but they were simple and they worked...

            The Turbo II motors were amazing inline fours...


            I was the passenger in a K-car in upstate New York. While taking a snooze I was awoken by the huge noise of the car plowing through a corn field at high speed. I just saw huge masses of corn hitting the car. The driver fell asleep at the wheel. Other than some cosmetic damage and shit filled pants, the car got back on the road and got us home. LOL!
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32942

              People can make fun of the Reliant K, but it saved a declining car company and paid the US taxpayer loan back early. I would take a Reliant K over Obama any day.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32942

                Daimler was after Chrysler's design team. Chrysler had a world class design facility thanks to Lee Iacocca but made the mistake of putting the same boring V6 engine in everything. Daimler wanted to improve it's design and came in with the premice it would add their engine and drive train expertice to the the Chrysler line. They just took what they wanted from Chrysler and let it rot and then let the tax payer save the mess while the fat cats jump ship.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Nitro Express
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32942

                  What killed Chrysler is they invented the mini van. LOL! Everyone with a family bought one and then they became taboo in the SUV age. Now you take a mini van and give it four wheel drive and call it a crossover. Station wagon became taboo and then mini van became taboo. A loser will drive a crossover in a few years when the Shambacko hoo ha design from Fiat replaces it.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    Originally posted by Nitro Express
                    I smell Bilderberg involvment in the Chrysler/Fiat merger. It's makes no economic sense, something smells.
                    Maybe so...

                    I'm all for trying to keep Chrysler, but this merger with Fiat might be a Fiat bailout in disguise and Chrysler might totally disappear...


                    Hmmm...


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                    • hideyoursheep
                      ROTH ARMY ELITE
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 6351

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      The Z is great. But I think I'd rather have a 'Vette......
                      Who wouldn't???!!!

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      And why people buy those Corollas over a Mazda3 I have no idea...I guess they're reliable "appliance" cars, but boring and they drive like shit. At least a 3 and a Civic handle well...
                      Is it the price?



                      Man, fuck those Civics....I tried one for shits and giggles...it felt like a go-cart.

                      No, it wasn't a new one.

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                      • hideyoursheep
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 6351

                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        What killed Chrysler is they invented the mini van. LOL! Everyone with a family bought one and then they became taboo in the SUV age. Now you take a mini van and give it four wheel drive and call it a crossover. Station wagon became taboo and then mini van became taboo. A loser will drive a crossover in a few years when the Shambacko hoo ha design from Fiat replaces it.
                        IMO only a loser would make a decision to buy a certain type of vehicle based on anything but necessity. I never owned a so-called SUV, or a crossover, 'cause I already know how to drive on paved roads. Those things are ridiculous. I never understood them. You can't off-road with them because they're too fragile to treat that way, and they don't corner worth a shit. Not to mention the strain of what's usually a 6 cyl. having to pull those heavy fuckers around.

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          I like american cars, but I think Subaru makes the smartest cars in terms of practicality, reliability, safety and fun...

                          The latest Imprezza / WRX was a flop on an otherwise super successful car. In a survey I read in Car and Driver nearly two years ago, the WRX was the number one car in terms of, would an owner consider buying the same car again and reliability. And it's a high performance car, a segment not usually rated very high in reliability terms mainly because they're usually beaten to death by their owners. The last generation Vette scored high in these areas as well, but it's not at all as practical as the Subaru...


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                          • hideyoursheep
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6351

                            I like some American cars today. I'm not too keen on the import market. Hell, are they even imports anymore? They're being built here!

                            Soon, so many car companies will cross-pollinate and we will be left with the choice of buying some generic model of something that only looks different.

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                            • hideyoursheep
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6351

                              BTW ELVIS....

                              I found a lot of Neon's for sale this weekend for about a grand....

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                              • ELVIS
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 44120

                                I know...

                                I just saw a nice Neon SRT-4 with low miles for $4995

                                It seems like people just give away the basic Neons...

                                But yeah, Hondas have been imported to Japan from here for over 20 years...


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