CA Supreme Court Refuses to overturn Prop H8

[GAR]

FORD's Daily Bread: Thread Topic Replys - a top-ten list..

10. Dick, penis, or the subjugation of his opponent by means of phallic refocusing off the topic.

9. Homosexuality, gay-hints, or outright accusation his viewpoint opposer is gay.

8. Homelessness and further subjugation by claims his opponent's viewpoint is invalidated by inadequate self-sufficiency.

7. Stalking, he'll chase his opponent from the initial argument thread, into another totally unrelated one, and continue his whining either with- or without the support of his knee-high elfen sycophant Dickfrisk.

6. Division from the conservative side, invoking his Jesus Christ username to support an attack in the event he's losing points.

5. Division from the liberal side, invoking his Satan username to support an attack in the event he's losing points.

4. Legacy: he invokes his unsupported claim of a 12-year, continuous reign on rock fandom boards to validate his viewpoint to outrank that of any others.

3. "Crystal-balling," he can foresee his opinions with facts yet-to-be; others may see it differently but that's okay because he knew you'd see thru THIS clouded ruse, and will pick the next reply from one of the other 9 ploys in the list to shame you (I only know this due to the unlocked spyware I could view through to the FORD Crystal Ball on his desktop on his PC, and that's what it responded when I asked "wwfd after ruse #3 runs thin?")

2. His second-favorite slander is Instability - agree with him, or else you're mentall ill. You have to be, and you should be thankful for his diagnosis because he's uniquely qualified after so many years of therap.. oops, see now he's got me doing it..

1. Drumroll, please.. FORD's Number One favorite slur - you live at home with Ma and Pa Kettle, even if you don't.. move back in, and then move out to prove your point carries greater weight than his. This is a weak one, but it's usually a good foot-in-the-door to be followed by one or two others in the list.

So long as he replies in the form of a slander or a false claim such as from the above list, you have to refute and it's a limited game of circular reasoning.

[GAR]

I mean, make a point for ONCE and stay on topic is that too much to ask?

[Ally_Kat]

Getting back to the topic...

What the fed gov't should do is write law that governmental marriages are legal contracts between two people, The states should write similar law, and then leave it to the religious institutions to do their beliefs and have their own regulations if you get married within their building/organization with a religious marriage. Less gov't with this, not more. That is the only way out of this mess.

[GAR]

The gays want it recognized by the state so they can receive the legal benefits married people have when they divorce such as division of property and survivor's benefits in wills and probate.

It is the gays that want more government, not less. And they lost when we amended our state Constitution here in CA so they're going to try to trick the public with lies in the media to vote Yes to remove that amendment.

If that happens, it'll go full circle until one of two things happen: the public no longer believe a damn thing the Gay Agenda say and the subject of Gay Marriage becomes a tarbaby nobody will touch a yesvote to.. or the other thing is, society becomes so numb to the issue they just give in with a yesvote hoping the homos will just go away.

Today, they are marching in Fresno because the Gay Agenda had identified Fresno as being 2/3rds Republican and a bastion of the antigay establishment so they're coming to march and show what assholes they are, hoping for a numb-effect.

However, conservative radio preemptive interviews with the locals yesterday were quoting the residents as saying it's strengthening the conservatism out of the formerly-no voting local Democrats there, and instead of losing to a 2/3rd majority they may up against a 75% majority, effectively striking a loss of wind in their sails.

I hope the QUEERS march the whole country, thinking they can kick everybody's morality down, till they're so broke they can't afford their retroviral meds, and they all break out in Karposi's Sarcoma sores and fucking die right there in the middle of the roadways..

[FORD]

FORD's Daily Bread: Gourmet Garlic Loaf - Over the Top Garlic Bread! Recipe #80748


55 min | 25 min prep

SERVES 8

* 1 loaf long French bread
* 1/2 cup butter
* 6 cloves garlic, crushed
* 2 tablespoons sesame seeds
* 1 1/2 cups sour cream
* 2 cups cubed monterey jack cheese
* 1/4 cup grated parmesan cheese
* 2 tablespoons dried parsley flakes
* 2 teaspoons lemon pepper seasoning
* 1 (14 ounce) can artichoke hearts, drained,coarsley chopped
* 1 cup shredded cheddar cheese

Garnish

* tomato, slices
* parsley sprig
* 1 (6 ounce) can pitted rip olives

1. Cut french loaf in half lengthwise.
2. Tear out the soft inner portion of the bread, leaving the crust.
3. Place the 2 halves of the loaf (crusts) onto a foil lined baking sheet.
4. Melt butter in a large skillet, stir in garlic and sesame seeds.
5. Add bread chunks and fry until bread is golden and the butter is absorbed.
6. Remove from heat.
7. Combine parmesan& jack cheeses, sour cream, parsley flakes and lemon pepper seasoning.
8. Combine bread mixture and artichoke hearts and add to cheese mixture.
9. Spoon mixture into bread crust shells.
10. Sprinkle with cheddar cheese and bake at 350 degrees for 30 minutes.
11. Garnish with olives, tomato slices and parsley sprigs.

Sounds pretty good. I'll have to try that sometime.

[kwame k]

Getting back to the topic...

What the fed gov't should do is write law that governmental marriages are legal contracts between two people, The states should write similar law, and then leave it to the religious institutions to do their beliefs and have their own regulations if you get married within their building/organization with a religious marriage. Less gov't with this, not more. That is the only way out of this mess.

Exactly, if a church refuses to marry you that's their business. Our government should make a legal union between two adults, period. To go even further, if the States want to self-govern and put it to a vote, I'm fine with that, too.

Separation of church and state, period.

[GAR]

I agree with Julia/Oolith/Standin.. gonna try that artichoke trick..

[FORD]

Getting back to the topic...

What the fed gov't should do is write law that governmental marriages are legal contracts between two people, The states should write similar law, and then leave it to the religious institutions to do their beliefs and have their own regulations if you get married within their building/organization with a religious marriage. Less gov't with this, not more. That is the only way out of this mess.

That's basically what Howard Dean was thinking when he was the first governor to sign civil unions into law. The Vermont court had ruled that there was no basis to deny gay couples the right to marry. As governor, Dean could have made marriage legal at that point, but he didn't want to infringe on churches rights to their own religious ceremonies.

Of course the state of Vermont has now gone even beyond that and changed the law on their books to say "marriage", and the rest of New England has pretty much done the same.

Under the 14th Amendment there is no basis whatsoever to deny gay couples all the legal equality of straight couples, so that should be the law. Some churches & synagogues will do the ceremonial stuff, some won't. But in the end, religious institutions shouldn't write laws, and government institutions shouldn't write religious doctrine.

[jhale667]

If you take away the homophobic and particularly the religious arguments (which you should, if you're having a rational discussion -about pretty much anything) against it, where is there any basis to deny gay couples equality?

Also, letting the gay marriages already performed stand seems contradictory, and somewhat hypocritical...

[kwame k]

That's basically what Howard Dean was thinking when he was the first governor to sign civil unions into law. The Vermont court had ruled that there was no basis to deny gay couples the right to marry. As governor, Dean could have made marriage legal at that point, but he didn't want to infringe on churches rights to their own religious ceremonies.

Of course the state of Vermont has now gone even beyond that and changed the law on their books to say "marriage", and the rest of New England has pretty much done the same.

Under the 14th Amendment there is no basis whatsoever to deny gay couples all the legal equality of straight couples, so that should be the law. Some churches & synagogues will do the ceremonial stuff, some won't. But in the end, religious institutions shouldn't write laws, and government institutions shouldn't write religious doctrine.

Spot on FORD!

[kwame k]

If you take away the homophobic and particularly the religious arguments (which you should, if you're having a rational discussion -about pretty much anything) against it, where is there any basis to deny gay couples equality?

Also, letting the gay marriages already performed stand seems contradictory, and somewhat hypocritical...

Yup but when you think about it, it's the hypocrites who are opposed to it. So really, they are just being themselves

[FORD]

Also, letting the gay marriages already performed stand seems contradictory, and somewhat hypocritical...

That's the part of this whole thing that really surprised the fuck out of me. Denying gays their equal rights makes them second class citizens, but by this "split" decision, they effectively made the married gays a third class of citizen.

Of course since this is the same court that legalized marriage only a year ago, they couldn't very well void the marriages that they themselves made possible.

So instead they took the pussy way out and more or less said "Our original court decision was right, but so was this idiotic ballot measure. Anything beyond that, y'all are gonna have to figure out for yourselves".

[Nickdfresh]

The least of my problems is worrying about living in a fucked-up Rust Belt city like Buffalo.

Funny, but I don't have to worry about Mexican's "stealing my job" and a tanking California economy, ass-douche....

[Nickdfresh]

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It is the gays that want more government, not less....

How would gays want more government if they want the gov out of the marriage business, ass-gargler?

[FORD]

Today, they are marching in Fresno because the Gay Agenda had identified Fresno as being 2/3rds Republican and a bastion of the antigay establishment ..

Here's some pictures GAyR, just for you........





You gonna tell Lt. Choi he shouldn't have the same rights as anyone else, GAyR??