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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32942

    #91
    Originally posted by Seshmeister
    Awkward situation for Obama, he can't make peace at the moment but he doesn't want to go along the dumb Bush path.

    I hope Obama isn't going to turn out to be one of those unlucky leaders where events keep fucking him over.
    Obama came into the presidency at a horrible time. He has Bush's middle east wars and horrid foreign policy to deal with and the result of massive banking deregulation that started under Clinton. Basically The Chimp and Bill fucked Obama before he even got started.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32942

      #92
      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
      Don't overestimate the Chinese. They have a fuckload of problems to contend with over the coming decade, including massive unrest and periodic riots...

      Our nuclear arsenal is not "rotting." And the Pakis can only make second-rate, small yield bombs. The kind the US did away with in the 90s and referred to as "tactical nukes."
      Our nuclear arsenal is aging while Russia has upgraded theirs. China will feel the pain of the global economic downturn but they still have most of the world's money and a huge manufacturing base. They are still behind us technology wise but that won't last. Their one child policy is already biting them though. The girls have been killed or aborted and now it's a nation of men who have been spoiled rotten by their parents. Since they only can have one child the parents spoil them rotten.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • sadaist
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jul 2004
        • 11625

        #93
        Originally posted by Nitro Express
        Obama came into the presidency at a horrible time. He has Bush's middle east wars and horrid foreign policy to deal with and the result of massive banking deregulation that started under Clinton. Basically The Chimp and Bill fucked Obama before he even got started.
        He knew what he was getting into when he ran for office. Hell, that was most of his campaign platform. But if at the end of his time in the White House he is ranked mediocre to bad, you can't blame the situations that he faced for that. The great Presidents always find a way to do great things in the face of extreme adversity. Seems like some people are losing a bit of their "hope" in Obama and already gearing up their excuses for him:

        Came in at a horrible time
        Events keep fucking him over
        Unlucky leader
        Previous Presidents fucked him

        Yes, the President has some very serious things facing him. But it's not unprecedented. Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Civil War, Great Depression, and the list could go on & on. Will Obama be remembered in the history books as a great President who handled the events facing him with outstanding results, or a President with a bunch of excuses of why he couldn't?
        “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49567

          #94
          Disturbing, graphic video of a young girl known as "Neda" that was shot and murdered by Iranian Basij militia fascist whores...

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          Last edited by Nickdfresh; 06-21-2009, 04:03 PM.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49567

            #95
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            • Blaze
              Full Member Status

              • Jan 2009
              • 4371

              #96
              If I had it in for Iran.......
              Now, would be the time to slip in my special forces to Snipe..
              ....



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              Last edited by Blaze; 06-22-2009, 12:29 AM.
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              • Blaze
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                • Jan 2009
                • 4371

                #97




                Candidates and followers are different from rioters: Larijani
                Tehran Times Political Desk


                TEHRAN – Majlis Speaker Ali Larijani said late on Saturday that the Islamic Republic system welcomes citizens’ questions about the presidential election results but everyone should make a differentiation between the candidates and critics of the election results and the rioters.


                In an appearance on IRIB Channel 2’s Special Dialogue program, Larijani stated, “We saw hundreds of thousands of people in the streets who rejected the results of the election, but the critics of the election results must draw a line between themselves and the rioters.”

                The parliament speaker said none of the candidates approve of the destruction of public property, adding, “I am sure that the candidates are not satisfied with the current situation.”

                Larijani urged the candidates to pursue their complaints about the election through the Guardian Council.

                “In this situation, all those who feel there is a problem with the results of the election should submit their complaints to the Guardian Council… and all people should know that the officials of the system will pay attention to their demands.”

                Larijani partly blamed some Guardian Council members for the current crisis, who he said sided with a particular candidate and attacked others during the presidential campaign.

                “Part of the dispute is related to certain people in the Guardian Council who took positions in the election,” he noted. “In my opinion, it would have been better if certain members of the Guardian Council had not taken positions on candidates.”

                He added, “But everyone should know that the members of the Guardian Council are pious and will not allow any candidate’s rights to be trampled upon.”

                He said some people, who perhaps did not even vote in the presidential election, are taking advantage of the situation to undermine public security and should be dealt with.

                He also reacted angrily to the attacks on university students. “What does it mean when certain people attack the (Tehran) university dormitory. These persons have ulterior motives and they must definitely be dealt with.”

                Larijani said the defeated candidates can pursue their complaints only in a calm atmosphere. “The politicians should be aware that the establishment of security can lay the grounds for pursuing their rights.”

                He said, “Our system is based on the people’s votes and it never seeks to silence” people.

                As the Supreme Leader said in his Friday sermon, it is better if rivals express their views in debates, Larijani noted. “Therefore, the debate must continue.”

                Mir-Hossein Mousavi and Mahdi Karroubi, who finished in second and fourth place in the June 12 presidential poll, have made allegations of election fraud.

                Mousavi’s supporters poured into the streets in great numbers in Tehran every day in the week after the results were announced and protested the results. The Interior Ministry has declared the rallies illegal.

                Larijani said a legal mechanism has been drawn up to close any loopholes that could allow vote-rigging. However, he said, “We should not violate the law if we see any shortcoming… and it is in the interests of the nation to observe the law, whether in regard to this election or other issues.”

                He added, “Under the name of the nation’s rights we should not trample upon the law. Of course, the voices of the people who have taken part in the election must be heard.”

                On certain Western countries’ remarks about Iran’s election, the Majlis speaker said, “I tell Obama and the leaders of France, Britain, and Germany that you are” too reprehensible to comment on Iran’s affairs.

                He said the suppression carried out by the monarchist regime, which occurred on the orders of then U.S. president Jimmy Carter, is still fresh in the minds of the Iranian people.

                He went on to say that the French president should know that his country gave jet fighters to the Iraqi regime for its war against Iran in the 1980s and the country’s companies facilitated the Saddam Hussein regime’s chemical weapons production program at the time.

                He also hit out at Britain, saying it is more wicked than France and the United States.

                “We are one family and may have differences but know how to resolve the problem.”

                He also called on IRIB (Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting) to act “transparently” and avoid giving a “one-sided” reflection of events so that people will not be forced to return to foreign news networks which try to incite tension in the country.

                30 years since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has now reached a status where it plays an influential role in regional developments and everyone should be careful that this privilege is not lost due to the current dispute over the presidential election results, he noted.

                On reports that the events are a prelude for a velvet revolution in the country, he said, “Iranians are so united that a velvet revolution cannot happen in Iran.”

                He also said the current developments have both provided an “opportunity” and a “threat”.

                “The situation that has been created today can be a threat and also an opportunity. If we observe the law, it can be an opportunity.”

                www.tehrantimes.com, Tehran times is the first English daily newspaper printed after 1979 Islamic revelution in iran.
                "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                • Blaze
                  Full Member Status

                  • Jan 2009
                  • 4371

                  #98

                  Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei (C) received representatives of the four presidential candidates in Tehran on Tuesday

                  Appeal for Calm


                  Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei on Tuesday received representatives of the four presidential candidates.
                  Representatives of some state organizations responsible for organizing June 12 vote were also present, IRNA reported.
                  Representatives of the four former aspirants presented their views on various aspects of the elections and the officials, including from the Interior Ministry and State Inspectorate Organization, gave explanations.
                  According to a report from the Office of the Leader, he said elections have always been a symbol of unity and national dignity in Iran.
                  The participation of almost 40 million people in the elections is an honor for the Islamic system and all those who cast ballots and have diverse orientations have a share in this great event. All are obliged to safeguard this national unity, he stressed.
                  “Voters have different political attitudes but are all the same in their faith in the Islamic Republic and their support for the Islamic establishment,“ Ayatollah Khamenei said.
                  “The friendly atmosphere that existed before the elections should not turn into an atmosphere of conflict and confrontation after the vote because both groups of voters believe in the system.“
                  According to the leader “It is an accepted norm in democracy that the majority rule. But this does not mean creating enmity, and all are obliged to avoid creating an atmosphere of confrontation.“
                  He underlined that all objections to the elections should be made through legal channels. “I urge the Guardian Council and the Interior Ministry to closely investigate all the complaints so that all doubts are removed. If necessary some ballot boxes should be recounted in the presence of representatives of the presidential candidates,“ he said.
                  The leader advised both the winners and losers in the disputed election to have patience and be careful about their behavior and actions.
                  Referring to the agitators and violent protestors in the streets since June 13, Ayatollah Khamenei said they are not supporters of any candidate rather “they are against the Islamic system and only want turmoil in the society.“
                  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad garnered 24.5 million votes or 62.6&#37; of the 39.16 million votes cast on Friday. His main rival Mir Hossein Mousavi won close to 33 percent or 13.2 million votes. The two other candidates -- Mohsen Rezaei and Mehdi Karroubi--took 1.7 and 0.85 percent respectively.
                  Following the election, supporters of Mousavi, a former prime minister, and the other two candidates have been incredulous at these figures and have taken to the streets to express their dissatisfaction.

                  Iran Daily - Front Page - 06/18/09
                  "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                  • Blaze
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                    • Jan 2009
                    • 4371

                    #99
                    [English Voiceover] Imam Khamenei(HA) - Friday Sermons - June 19, 2009 -


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                    Speech of the Leader of the Muslim Ummah, and Islamic Revolution, Ayatullah Imam Sayyed Ali al-Khamenei(HA) on June 19, 2009 following the historical 10th Presidential Elections in Islamic Iran.

                    This version is an English Voiceover as broadcast live on Press TV

                    Highlights can be found here:

                    1) Leader Defends Elections and Calls for End to Protests

                    and

                    2) Highlights from the Speech of Imam Khamenei(HA) on June 19, 2009 Regarding the 10th Presidential Elections in Islamic Iran | islamicdigest.net v7
                    Last edited by Blaze; 06-22-2009, 12:21 AM.
                    "I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. - Some come from ahead and some come from behind. - But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. - Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!" ~ Dr. Seuss
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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32942

                      Originally posted by sadaist
                      He knew what he was getting into when he ran for office. Hell, that was most of his campaign platform. But if at the end of his time in the White House he is ranked mediocre to bad, you can't blame the situations that he faced for that. The great Presidents always find a way to do great things in the face of extreme adversity. Seems like some people are losing a bit of their "hope" in Obama and already gearing up their excuses for him:

                      Came in at a horrible time
                      Events keep fucking him over
                      Unlucky leader
                      Previous Presidents fucked him

                      Yes, the President has some very serious things facing him. But it's not unprecedented. Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Civil War, Great Depression, and the list could go on & on. Will Obama be remembered in the history books as a great President who handled the events facing him with outstanding results, or a President with a bunch of excuses of why he couldn't?
                      Sadly any presidential candidate that has a chance of winning are backed by powerful people who expect favors. I strongly feel Obama and McCain are puppets for the Wall Street banking elite and off shore bankers. I don't think Obama is anybody special nor is he a great leader. He's an opportunist politician. Look at how he pushes to give more power to The Federal Reserve. Like California, the US Federal Govt. needs to cut it's costs , not spend and tax into oblivion.

                      Obama is historical only for one reason. He's the first black president and I get the excitement on that. I think he will turn out to be a huge dissapointment and possibly even hated as much or more than George W. Bush.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32942

                        The last president that had any vision was John F. Kennedy. It's been downhill since then.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32942

                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          Disturbing, graphic video of a young girl known as "Neda" that was shot and murdered by Iranian Basij militia fascist whores...

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                          albawaba.com middle east news information::Neda Iran
                          Too bad the good people in Iran don't have anything to shoot back with. A revolution without arms are short lasted. Just ask the students at Tianamen Square. Looks like she was gut shot. It takes a while to die and they usually cough up blood. Not a pretty sight but at least it gets out because of the internet.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • hideyoursheep
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 6351

                            Originally posted by Nitro Express
                            Obama is historical only for one reason. He's the first black president and I get the excitement on that. I think he will turn out to be a huge dissapointment and possibly even hated as much or more than George W. Bush.
                            That is impossible.

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                            • GAR
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10881

                              Obama wanted the job bad enough, and the Dems initiated the foreclosure problem so let him take the blame when things don't work out like he borrowed!

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                              • hideyoursheep
                                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 6351

                                Originally posted by GAR
                                Obama wanted the job bad enough,
                                AS IF there were any competent contenders offered up by the other party that weren't already in jail.


                                Originally posted by GAR
                                and the Dems initiated the foreclosure problem so let him take the blame when things don't work out like he borrowed!
                                You know that's bullshit. Never in this country's history did the home loan industry run corrupt as it did under your Fuhrer. You wanna talk about a crisis that began with banks handing out refinancing deals to homeowners using inflated property values fudged by appraisers who were being paid off by the mortgage companies, then it all came down on their heads. Bush throws the first trillion out the door at them sight unseen, no questions asked, now it's Obama's fault?
                                If things don't "work out", it's because of all the stealing that was going on beforehand. Somewhere along the line, those bills need paid. Doesn't matter what party the President belongs to at the time. The monumental, potentially catastrophic fuck-ups made by the previous majority congress ('94-06') and administration ('00-'08) are to blame for allowing this shit, in some cases causing these problems that now require our attention.

                                So America voted for a change of direction.

                                All you see is a change of skin color.

                                Fuck you.

                                You've fucked enough shit up already. You're incompetence is well documented, thanks anyway.

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