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  • ULTRAMAN VH
    Commando
    • May 2004
    • 1480

    Proud To Be American? You Should Be Ashamed

    Proud To Be American? You Should Be Ashamed
    We have seen the largest looting operation in history perpetrated against The American People.

    Over $5 trillion dollars in junk securities were marketed and sold. They had a real value of about $2 trillion dollars; the other $3 trillion, roughly, was pure fiction.

    The banks created and sold these throughout the world, with the full knowledge and support of Congress, The Fed, and the banks themselves.

    It was pure fraud.

    Granting someone a "mortgage" based only on whether they can fog a mirror is proof positive of malfeasance, unless you disclose this fact to the buyers of these securities - a fact that was not disclosed until after the securities blew up.

    Lenders, builders and others pressured appraisers to "hit the numbers" to support these fraudulent deals. Proof of that is found in the nearly-10-year-old Appraisers Petition bearing thousands of appraiser signatures.

    That ratings were a "mistake", either real or intentional, is a matter of now-known historical fact.

    Americans have sat on their butts through all of this, allowed their 401ks and IRAs to be trashed, their supposed "home values" to be pumped and then destroyed, and their hopes, dreams, employment and house have all vanished into the ether of fraud.

    When this came to light the banks went to Congress, and supported by The Fed's intentional draining of liquidity to create an immediate "crisis", they got a $700 billion bailout bill passed - one that you, your children and grandchildren, will have to pay for.

    The government then passed another near-trillion-dollar "stimulus" bill claimed to hold unemployment to 8%. It did not, because it was yet another "papering over" of the fraud, but that bill your children and grandchildren, along with you, will also pay.

    Your savings accounts and CDs now yield an effective zero.

    Your credit card interest rates have gone from 11% to 29%, all so that the banks can keep granting ill-advised credit to people who can't pay. Those who can pay - the rest of you - are being jacked for 30% a year in interest.

    We have seen a few "tea parties" in which a few people showed up and which were immediately panned by "those in power" as "astroturf."

    Contrast with this.

    A few days ago, Iran held an election. It is alleged that there was massive fraud. The current President claimed victory under less-than-clear circumstances.

    The people said "hell no!" in this sort of demonstration:



    That's about 2 million people, out of 70 million population (roughly), or one in thirty-five Iranians in the entire nation who took to the streets to demand justice in a simple vote.

    More strikingly, Tehran has a population of roughly 12 million; this means that one in six citizens of the city are standing in that crowd.

    This, despite the fact that the government there has been shooting people, has arrested the opposition party and issued an order to burn the ballots so there can be no recount.

    This, despite the fact that the Iranian population does not enjoy a Second Amendment, and thus is forced to fight a rogue government with makeshift molotov cocktails, rocks and clubs, should that rogue government choose to shoot.

    And this was about an election. A President. One man.

    In our nation we have literally had 1/3rd of our GDP - that is, 1/3rd of everything you worked for last year - stolen by a bunch of fraudsters with the explicit cooperation and assistance of the government.

    We should be seeing 10 million Americans literally closing Washington DC with peaceful protest in the streets - making the entirety of the downtown inaccessible to vehicles and the normal conduct of business impossible, were Americans to display the same sort of anger over an insult vastly more serious than that served upon the Iranian people.

    If one in six Americans had enough in America's big cities, there would be one million people in the Streets of Chicago - enough to fill Chicago's Loop from Lake Michigan to I-90/94 and from The Chicago River to beyond Soldier Field, rendering the city core impassable. (Roughly double the crowd that shows up for the 4th of July Fireworks, to put it in perspective. "Greater Chicagoland" has a population of ~7 million)

    The same in NY City would result in a crowd of 3.3 million people.

    Where are you America?

    In America, if the government turns into a goon squad, you have the constitutionally-protected ability to shoot back. In Iran you have no such ability as the Iranian government has never recognized the unalienable rights as set forth in our Declaration.

    So in Iran the population risks mass death to protest.

    In America the population risks loss of some income since you'd have to cut work.

    The Iranians take to the streets; we take to our couches and have another beer.

    Grow a pair of balls America.

    The people of Iran are putting us to shame.

    PS: Those threats appear not to have been idle either:

    market-ticker.denninger.net
  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    #2
    WTF is this?

    Did you write this?

    Is this on op-ed without attribution or link?
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • Kristy
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 16751

      #3
      Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH

      Where are you America?

      Currently, I'm on Craigslist haggling out a deal on Prada boots (they are sweet)

      As for the Iranian people they're just pissed off for getting a raw deal done by a corrupt few - hey, just like we have here in America! Besides, most of the "protesters" on the streets setting fires and getting their skulls caved in are young and pretty much more or less want a credit card (currently illegal to own in Iran) so they can buy crap off of E Bay and Amazon. They can give a shit less about democracy as they do about capitalism, making money, Twitter, and being a part of the world. Can't picture them saying "hell no! as much as I do them shouting "just what in the fuck!?" If Iran are putting us to shame with anything it's that they can make one mean shishkabob.

      I'm not ashamed of being an American nor will I ever be no matter what the corruption by a chosen few. Is this the liberal guilt I'm supposed to feeling? Don't get me wrong [by] me saying that doesn't mean I'll start listening to Brooks & Dunn, waving a flag and reading Bible verses to strangers but I'm more than thankful to live here. Besides, when it does come to corruption, there is no such thing as a "peaceful" demonstration anymore - can anyone say "G-20"? Sure, it starts out pastoral enough but soon turns into smoking dope, throwing rocks through bank windows, destroying property - eh, not for me.

      America is currently screwed by greed. Okay, maybe I should be ashamed of that until one realizes that this country was founded on greed (as well as slavery, genocide, colonization...) which is tolerable until it collapsed on itself. I personally know I never "sat on my butt" with my 401K (for what that was worth) only to have it stolen from me. And as for my CD account, sure, currently the interest return is low but as for it being "0" I think the author of the article better re-check that. Everything else in that piece is tired re-hash with hardly any emotional meaning or context.

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59651

        #4
        Why didn't we see this UltraVag post after the 2000 election fraud in Florida?

        Or the 2004 election fraud in Ohio?

        Or when even the right wingers had to admit what some of us knew all along - that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was based on nothing but FUCKING LIES?
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • sadaist
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jul 2004
          • 11625

          #5
          I am proud to be an American. However, like a child you catch smoking, drinking, shoplifting, etc... you are disappointing by the act but still love your child with all your heart. You hope they learn from the mistake and become even better. There have been many things I have been disappointed in, but my love for this country, the opportunity it provides people, and what it stands for have never waned.

          “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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          • ULTRAMAN VH
            Commando
            • May 2004
            • 1480

            #6
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Currently, I'm on Craigslist haggling out a deal on Prada boots (they are sweet)

            As for the Iranian people they're just pissed off for getting a raw deal done by a corrupt few - hey, just like we have here in America! Besides, most of the "protesters" on the streets setting fires and getting their skulls caved in are young and pretty much more or less want a credit card (currently illegal to own in Iran) so they can buy crap off of E Bay and Amazon. They can give a shit less about democracy as they do about capitalism, making money, Twitter, and being a part of the world. Can't picture them saying "hell no! as much as I do them shouting "just what in the fuck!?" If Iran are putting us to shame with anything it's that they can make one mean shishkabob.

            I'm not ashamed of being an American nor will I ever be no matter what the corruption by a chosen few. Is this the liberal guilt I'm supposed to feeling? Don't get me wrong [by] me saying that doesn't mean I'll start listening to Brooks & Dunn, waving a flag and reading Bible verses to strangers but I'm more than thankful to live here. Besides, when it does come to corruption, there is no such thing as a "peaceful" demonstration anymore - can anyone say "G-20"? Sure, it starts out pastoral enough but soon turns into smoking dope, throwing rocks through bank windows, destroying property - eh, not for me.

            America is currently screwed by greed. Okay, maybe I should be ashamed of that until one realizes that this country was founded on greed (as well as slavery, genocide, colonization...) which is tolerable until it collapsed on itself. I personally know I never "sat on my butt" with my 401K (for what that was worth) only to have it stolen from me. And as for my CD account, sure, currently the interest return is low but as for it being "0" I think the author of the article better re-check that. Everything else in that piece is tired re-hash with hardly any emotional meaning or context.
            Enjoy haggling on Craigslist for Prada boots while you can, because if we continue down the path we are going, you won't have the choice, freedom or luxury of choosing what kind of boots to purchase. The ever growing Government will decide that for you. Yeah okay, that maybe an exteme statement, but when the Chinese leaders and Russia's Vladimir Putin warn us on the dangers of our current Governments push toward Socialism and its attack on free enterprise, we as Americans should be very concerned.

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            • Kristy
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 16751

              #7
              Right, right, solely based on the words of Putin and the Chinese we're obviously headed down a socialistic path. What's next? Dogs & cats living together?

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                I agree with Ultraman's post, wherever he got it from...

                The American population has really been dummed down. I try to explain some of this to people in all walks and i get a blank stare...

                The Iranian people are educated in the right stuff and they know their laws...

                I mean, in America, unless you lost your job, your house, your future or all three, you have no clue whats coming down the pike...


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                • Kristy
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 16751

                  #9
                  Let's be level-headed here - jobs and homes even people's futures were lost to greed, not socialism.

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                  • BITEYOASS
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6530

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
                    Where are you America?
                    Chilling the fuck out and avoiding annoying Right-wing radio shows, tv shows and their lame-ass blogs. Oh the countless amounts of stress I lack due to not following some talking head's orders. :D

                    GO GET SOME POON ULTRAVAG! Then you won't have the urge to post all this retarted bullshit.

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                    • Terry
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 12138

                      #11
                      Takes two for the screwing.

                      Those at the top are the fuckers.

                      The rest are the fuckees.

                      What else can one reasonably expect from a population where less than 50% who are able to vote do?

                      Yes, a lot of mortgages were approved that probably shouldn't have been, but was anyone forcing these people who couldn't afford these McMansions to sign on the dotted line? Was anyone forcing people to rack up massive amounts of personal debt on credit cards with interest rates at 25% and making them go out and buy things they didn't really need? Were people exercising their method of changing the way business gets done, via either voting or running for office, when the manufacturing jobs were being shifted overseas? Or did joblessness only become a crisis when white collar workers were being thrown to the wolves in the name of "effective staffing", "healthy bottom lines" and "cost managing"?

                      If the nation undertakes a collective yawn and looks at things like mass layoffs, rampant Wall Street greed and ineffective / corrupt elected officials with an "that's life" attitude, and decides to tune it all out in favor of watching telly, ain't nothing ever gonna change.
                      Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49567

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ELVIS
                        I agree with Ultraman's post, wherever he got it from...

                        The American population has really been dummed down....


                        Yeah, they're "dummed" down from listening to profiteering whore overnight radio mental cases...

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                        • sadaist
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 11625

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Let's be level-headed here - jobs and homes even people's futures were lost to greed, not socialism.
                          Nor is socialism the cure.
                          “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                          • Big Train
                            Full Member Status

                            • Apr 2004
                            • 4013

                            #14
                            While all of that is true in the orig post, I disagree with the premise. I'm always proud to be an American, for the simple reason there IS always a possibility of change. That fighting for that change is a bitch or might seem impossible at times is just par for the course. However, a simple A to B comparison of most other countries in the world will show this is still the place to be and the place to fight for what you believe.

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                            • knuckleboner
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2927

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kristy
                              Let's be level-headed here - jobs and homes even people's futures were lost to greed, not socialism.
                              the point that is lost on a lot of the current critics.

                              capitalism (for all it's pros and cons) was the cause...

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