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  • Big Train
    Full Member Status

    • Apr 2004
    • 4013

    Keeps getting better out here...

    Hot Air » Blog Archive » California unemployment hits 11.4%; Update: CA bonds going to junk status?


    It's a good thing we still have cheap lettuce to eat and strong unions providing good jobs for all. I apologize to other states for dragging you down as we just cannot seem to get our shit together out here.


    As if Californians don’t have enough problems. The Department of Labor reported this morning that California’s unemployment rate jumped to 11.4%, making it the nation’s fifth-worst state on that measure. It continued an upward trajectory that began over a year ago:

    California’s unemployment rate shot up to 11.5% in May, its highest level since current record-keeping began more than three decades ago.

    That’s a substantial increase over a revised rate of 11.1% in April, the U.S. Department of Labor reported this morning. …

    Only four states have higher unemployment rates than California: Michigan at 14.1%, Oregon at 12.4% and Rhode Island and South Carolina, tied at 12.1%.

    The numbers will get worse this summer, as California works through a massive budget crisis that threatens to sink the state into bankruptcy. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and the legislature must close a $25 billion deficit, and the voters have already rejected new taxes as a solution — not suprising, given their status as one of the most-taxed states in the nation. Schwarzenegger wants extensive cuts instead, which will lay off thousands of state workers and add to the unemployment problem in the short term. Expect this news to get worse all year long.

    Given that, one might think that the players in Sacramento would be taking this seriously. Apparently not:

    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has warned lawmakers they need to act boldly and make some tough budget choices, sent Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg a metal sculpture of bull testicles.

    It was intended as a gag gift but Steinberg, a Sacramento Democrat, was not amused and returned the football-sized gift with a terse note about the seriousness of the ongoing negotiations. …

    According to the sources, Schwarzenegger’s gift was in response to an earlier gag gift he had received from Steinberg: a package of mushrooms after the governor called Democrats’ budget proposals, which included tax increases, “hallucinatory.”

    Maybe both of them should focus on fixing the budget rather than playing practical jokes.

    Update: Moody’s warns California that a failure to produce a rational budget will result in a “multi-notch” downward rating on their debt:

    California, struggling to close a $24.3 billion budget gap, faces the prospect of a “multi-notch” downgrade in its credit rating if the state’s legislature fails to act quickly to produce a budget, Moody’s Investors Service warned on Friday.

    The ratings agency’s decision to place California’s general obligation debt on alert for such a dramatic possible downgrade stunned state officials. …

    The state’s current A2 credit rating is Moody’s sixth-highest investment grade and makes California the lowest rated of the 50 states. The A2 rating is just five notches above speculative status and Moody’s raised the potential for the rating to tumble toward “junk” status. …

    A downgrade could push California’s borrowing costs up at time when state officials expect to issue up to $9 billion in revenue anticipation notes as soon as possible after a budget agreement is reached — a deal whose timing is in doubt.

    Moody’s said California’s leasing debt and other state-related debt are also on review, affecting a total of $72 billion of debt.

    California bonds will reach junk status, which will match the state of their political class in Sacramento. This state takes in more revenue per person than almost every other state and still manages to squander 20% more above that. Moody’s has it diagnosed perfectly.
  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    #2
    You's better be planing on hauling yer ass outta Cali ASAP!


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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32942

      #3
      Originally posted by Big Train
      Hot Air » Blog Archive » California unemployment hits 11.4%; Update: CA bonds going to junk status?


      It's a good thing we still have cheap lettuce to eat and strong unions providing good jobs for all. I apologize to other states for dragging you down as we just cannot seem to get our shit together out here.


      As if Californians don’t have enough problems. The Department of Labor reported this morning that California’s unemployment rate jumped to 11.4%, making it the nation’s fifth-worst state on that measure. It continued an upward trajectory that began over a year ago:

      California’s unemployment rate shot up to 11.5% in May, its highest level since current record-keeping began more than three decades ago.

      That’s a substantial increase over a revised rate of 11.1% in April, the U.S. Department of Labor reported this morning. …

      Only four states have higher unemployment rates than California: Michigan at 14.1%, Oregon at 12.4% and Rhode Island and South Carolina, tied at 12.1%.

      The numbers will get worse this summer, as California works through a massive budget crisis that threatens to sink the state into bankruptcy. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and the legislature must close a $25 billion deficit, and the voters have already rejected new taxes as a solution — not suprising, given their status as one of the most-taxed states in the nation. Schwarzenegger wants extensive cuts instead, which will lay off thousands of state workers and add to the unemployment problem in the short term. Expect this news to get worse all year long.

      Given that, one might think that the players in Sacramento would be taking this seriously. Apparently not:

      Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has warned lawmakers they need to act boldly and make some tough budget choices, sent Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg a metal sculpture of bull testicles.

      It was intended as a gag gift but Steinberg, a Sacramento Democrat, was not amused and returned the football-sized gift with a terse note about the seriousness of the ongoing negotiations. …

      According to the sources, Schwarzenegger’s gift was in response to an earlier gag gift he had received from Steinberg: a package of mushrooms after the governor called Democrats’ budget proposals, which included tax increases, “hallucinatory.”

      Maybe both of them should focus on fixing the budget rather than playing practical jokes.

      Update: Moody’s warns California that a failure to produce a rational budget will result in a “multi-notch” downward rating on their debt:

      California, struggling to close a $24.3 billion budget gap, faces the prospect of a “multi-notch” downgrade in its credit rating if the state’s legislature fails to act quickly to produce a budget, Moody’s Investors Service warned on Friday.

      The ratings agency’s decision to place California’s general obligation debt on alert for such a dramatic possible downgrade stunned state officials. …

      The state’s current A2 credit rating is Moody’s sixth-highest investment grade and makes California the lowest rated of the 50 states. The A2 rating is just five notches above speculative status and Moody’s raised the potential for the rating to tumble toward “junk” status. …

      A downgrade could push California’s borrowing costs up at time when state officials expect to issue up to $9 billion in revenue anticipation notes as soon as possible after a budget agreement is reached — a deal whose timing is in doubt.

      Moody’s said California’s leasing debt and other state-related debt are also on review, affecting a total of $72 billion of debt.

      California bonds will reach junk status, which will match the state of their political class in Sacramento. This state takes in more revenue per person than almost every other state and still manages to squander 20% more above that. Moody’s has it diagnosed perfectly.
      California could have fixed it's problems but the state government spent like a drunk sailor. I mean the citizens got The Govenator because the former govenor raised vehicle registration fees. Taxes there were about where people could tolerate them in good times. Lose the jobs and the only thing left to do is cut the spending. California's problem has always been reckless spending and overconfidence. It got full of itself and now look at what has happened.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32942

        #4
        Arnold has warned the law makers about the problems since he got in office but if the state legislature stone walls you on cutting costs, you can't do shit.

        Our fish and game department got ripped off by California. Their fish and game dept. bought some game fish minnow stock and paid for it with a fucking IOU. I mean that's hitting the skids when the former sixth largest economy in the world can't even pay it's bills for some fucking fish.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #5
          Add in a massive flu pandemic this winter and things will be nice. That will coffin nail the economy.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • GAR
            Banned
            • Jan 2004
            • 10881

            #6
            Chicago's looking less corrupt. CA legislators gave themselves the biggest raises, and increased administrations staffing levels to record proportions: currently we have 1 California state worker for every 7 taxpayer.

            How did it get that way? Democrappists!

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32942

              #7
              Originally posted by GAR
              Chicago's looking less corrupt. CA legislators gave themselves the biggest raises, and increased administrations staffing levels to record proportions: currently we have 1 California state worker for every 7 taxpayer.

              How did it get that way? Democrappists!
              My dad used to do a lot of construction work in California when I was a kid. I would go to school and spend the winters in Sun Valley, Idaho and spend the summers in Newport Beach. My dad just got tired of all the hassle in Cali in the 1980's and stopped messing with it.

              My brother was a resident of California and passed away. Man. Dealing with the state over the probate of his home and estate was a bitch. I really learned to hate that state after that ordeal. It's sad because I remember Cali when it was in it's heyday. Man. How it has fallen.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32942

                #8
                I really don't think the Republicans are any better than the Democrats. Look at how much Bush spent and Reagan spent. It all comes down to fiscal responsibility. The state I live in now Wyoming, runs a surplus but we have oil resources. But Montana also has a surplus and has taken no federal bailout money. They just managed their resources well. California did a line of coke off a hookers ass, got drunk and spent all the money.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • GAR
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10881

                  #9
                  Thats a pretty fair ass-essment right there.

                  It all started with Governor Moonbeam, shacking up with Ronstadt in the seventies and went downhill with the yuppies coming of age in the greedy eighties in Sacramento.

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                  • letsrock
                    Veteran
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 1595

                    #10
                    move to Detroit or Cleveland.

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59949

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GAR

                      How did it get that way? Democrappists!
                      Yeah.... "Democrappists" like Herr Gropenator, Pete Wilson, and ENRON.

                      Not to mention the same type of "mob rule" ballot initiatives that have bankrupted Washington state, because idiots like yourself never read past the rhetorical ballot title (which is always something simplistic like "Do you want lower taxes?") to see what the fucking poorly written law actually DOES.

                      Worst example of this in California would be Proposition 13 back in the 70's. That one bad law alone has cost that state billions. Probably trillions by now.
                      Eat Us And Smile

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                      • Kristy
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 16842

                        #12
                        No matter how much how much of a total shithole Cleveland is at least it has somewhat of a stable economy. The trouble with California that nobody really wants to say is that that state let its welfare system run rampant, passed way too many environmental laws and like the rest of America outsourced most of what was making it money in the first place. Even Hollywood doesn't film most of the the movies they make on studio lots in L.A. anymore do to increasing union labor cost, even tourism is down. California has been so poorly mismanaged and at the ready to implode on itself any second I don't think no amount of baliout money is going to save it. If that state is going to survive it needs to be desperately gutted from the inside on so many levels. Until that day happens it is inevitably on the path to become America's own third-world nation so-to-speak.

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                        • sadaist
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 11625

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nitro Express
                          It's sad because I remember Cali when it was in it's heyday. Man. How it has fallen.
                          I erased my first writing here. It was just a long drawn out post on all that used to be great in So CA and what's fucking it up. I'll keep it short & just say that I agree with you Nitro...very sad indeed.

                          “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32942

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            No matter how much how much of a total shithole Cleveland is at least it has somewhat of a stable economy. The trouble with California that nobody really wants to say is that that state let its welfare system run rampant, passed way too many environmental laws and like the rest of America outsourced most of what was making it money in the first place. Even Hollywood doesn't film most of the the movies they make on studio lots in L.A. anymore do to increasing union labor cost, even tourism is down. California has been so poorly mismanaged and at the ready to implode on itself any second I don't think no amount of baliout money is going to save it. If that state is going to survive it needs to be desperately gutted from the inside on so many levels. Until that day happens it is inevitably on the path to become America's own third-world nation so-to-speak.
                            Pretty much. Everyone wanted to move there because of the economy and nice weather. It boomed for decades and people took it for granted that California was the sixth largest economy in the world rivaling France in Gross Domestic Product. The politicians rode the hype all they could, increasing govt. and taxes and fees. People were willing to put up with it because they wanted to stay in California. Now California is too populated, jobs have left due to the high business cost and meddling govt. there. Not only is the state government in debt due to it's corruption and greed the citizens there are leveraged to the hilt. How could they not be with home prices being what they were there. Then they borrowed against their equity in their home to get in debt even more. California was a huge bubble and it popped.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32942

                              #15
                              I maintain every place has the potential to be a shit hole. It's not so much what city you live in, it's your circumstances. I'm sure there are estates in Cleveland that are very nice. Everyone seems to think Hawaii is paradise. Not if you live in some shit hole apartment in the worst part of Oahu. It's all relative.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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