Lord of the Lies

[davehagarfan]

I was asked if Obama has kept any campaign promise, and I couldnt think of one so I thought I'd ask the Peanut Gallery here what's going on.

- he's lied about access to the White House
- he's lied about closing Guantanamo Bay Detention Center
- he's lied about only taxing those making 250K for healthcare insurance
- he's lied about the timeline for withdrawing troops in Iraq
- he's lied about the actual cost of the Stimulust Plan
- he's lied about he implimentation of the Stimulust Plan
- he's lied about "reforming the government lobbyist access"
- he's lied about taking money from.. well, he's taking it from everywhere
- he's lied today in his Townhall Meeting a number of times, pulling more figures out of his ASS

This guys' an ASS, I keep pointing this out.

He wants the biggest bullshit tax in the history of the world, "Carbon Cap n Trade" to go thru which is going to add $1200 to $1500 for every person in the country.

Why is this dick not run out of Washington already? I don't get it.

This is like the story premise of Lord of the Flies, only it's a planeful of Chicago thieving lying motherfuckers that crashed in DC, and they're stabbing and cutting everyone who's not on their side.

Barry Sotero-Obama: Lord of the Lies

Obama is a saint compared to the likes of Cheney, Rove and their little minion W.

In fact, if anyone is lying Gar it's you.....our military just left Baghdad and handed over control to the Iraqi's. They may not be home tomorrow but we still have troops in Japan and S. Korea......which isn't a bad thing by the way

[Blackflag]

Actually Bush was the guy giving trillions to banks but Obama did agree with and went along with it.

They both did, dickhead.

[FORD]

Bush always said where he stands and what he would do UP FRONT, and did it, whether good or bad...

I know, he lied about WMD's, but I doubt is was lying...rather, he was repeating what was supposedly information gathered by US intelligence...

Bull fucking shit, and you know it.

Chimpy planned to invade Iraq even before the Supreme Court put him in office. He openly bragged about it in 1999. And his cabinet, a.k.a. PNAC, openly plotted the invasion in 1998. They just needed an excuse, which they got on 9-11-01 (regardless of what story you believe of that event itself) because they started talking about Iraq, and attempting to tie it to Saddam the very next fucking day.

And they KNEW damn well there were no weapons there, because the UN inspection team, led by a Republican Marine named Scott Ritter, told them so. As did the second UN inspection team led by Hans Blix.

It was a goddamn lie, not a "mistake". Not "bad" intelligence, deliberately falsified intelligence.

[davehagarfan]

They both did, dickhead.

Thanks dickweed

[davehagarfan]

Bull fucking shit, and you know it.

Chimpy planned to invade Iraq even before the Supreme Court put him in office. He openly bragged about it in 1999. And his cabinet, a.k.a. PNAC, openly plotted the invasion in 1998. They just needed an excuse, which they got on 9-11-01 (regardless of what story you believe of that event itself) because they started talking about Iraq, and attempting to tie it to Saddam the very next fucking day.

And they KNEW damn well there were no weapons there, because the UN inspection team, led by a Republican Marine named Scott Ritter, told them so. As did the second UN inspection team led by Hans Blix.

It was a goddamn lie, not a "mistake". Not "bad" intelligence, deliberately falsified intelligence.

That's not totally true because Clinton *thought* the same thing back then. I vividly remember him saying so on television. Bin Laden was just starting to come into focus too around that time but Clinton claimed Saddam was a *huge* threat and that he feared he might nuke us or attack us at some point. Later, after 9/11 he claimed he said it was N. Korea who was the biggest threat but I remember him in interviews concentrating on the Middle East and Saddam specifically. This was in the late 90s.

From what I remember of Scott Ritter he *thought* there was or at the very least Saddam was *hiding* them. There was also another guy, a politician, I can't remember his name but I think he was Iranian intelligence or a Shiite that wanted Saddam out. He spun alot of yarn for W. and his boys. He sang like a canary telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.

[davehagarfan]

First of all, Bush didn't use a teleprompter. Sure, he mangled american english...big deal...

Obama is RADICAL! He was a community organizer, (supposedly) basically for blacks in the poor parts of Chicago...

What, on record, did he accomplish ??

NOT A FUCKING THING!

He's also a lawyer and professor of constituional law!


Bush always said where he stands and what he would do UP FRONT, and did it, whether good or bad...

I know, he lied about WMD's, but I doubt is was lying...rather, he was repeating what was supposedly information gathered by US intelligence...

Obama is lying to our faces and he knows it...

Where are all of these "shovel ready" jobs that he spoke about ??

Not a single job has been created so far!

He's fucking lying and taking part in dismantling this country!

The shit hasn't hit the fan just yet...

Wait

Obama is a radical? Ron Paul is a radical, Obama is far more of a centrist except for a few things I don't agree with him on. He certainly makes more fucking sense then alot of Bush's policies.

Bush and Cheney were the fucking worst of the worst

Plenty of times in the past our country's shit has hit the fan and we've survived and pulled through.


Obama hasn't even been in office for a year yet. You remind me of the left wingers who get all over Reagan for not turning the economy around on a dime back in the 80s. Obama has a ton of shit to clean up. It won't be done in a day or even two terms. It's impossible but he's still better then Bush and I think at this point in our countries history was the better choice then McCain/Palin, who was a guy I voted for in the 2000 Republican Primaries. But unfortunately most of you righties voted for the chimp.

[Nickdfresh]

First of all, Bush didn't use a teleprompter. Sure, he mangled american english...big deal...

...

Bush did use a teleprompter dummy. Every president has since at least Eisenhower. So stop acting like it is unprecendented, and stop acting like you haven't been told this about 30 times now.

Bush also was rumored to have an ear piece to help him un'nunceciate...

BTW, what happened to your "Truther/Inside Job" outrage?

[FORD]

That's not totally true because Clinton *thought* the same thing back then. I vividly remember him saying so on television.

Clinton got a letter from PNAC in 1998 laying out their case for war. He didn't act on it, but it probably had a lot to do with Scott Ritter and the UN team going over there in the first place.

From what I remember of Scott Ritter he *thought* there was or at the very least Saddam was *hiding* them. There was also another guy, a politician, I can't remember his name but I think he was Iranian intelligence or a Shiite that wanted Saddam out. He spun alot of yarn for W. and his boys. He sang like a canary telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.

Published on Saturday, July 20, 2002 in the Boston Globe
Is Iraq a True Threat to the US?
by Scott Ritter


RECENT PRESS reports indicate that planning for war against Iraq has advanced significantly. When combined with revelations about the granting of presidential authority to the CIA for covert operations aimed at eliminating Saddam Hussein, it appears that the United States is firmly committed to a path that will lead toward war with Iraq.

Prior to this occurring, we would do well to reflect on the words of President Abraham Lincoln who, in his Gettysburg Address, defined the essence of why democracies like ours go to war: so ``... that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.''

Does Iraq truly threaten the existence of our nation? If one takes at face value the rhetoric emanating from the Bush administration, it would seem so. According to President Bush and his advisers, Iraq is known to possess weapons of mass destruction and is actively seeking to reconstitute the weapons production capabilities that had been eliminated by UN weapons inspectors from 1991 to 1998, while at the same time barring the resumption of such inspections.

I bear personal witness through seven years as a chief weapons inspector in Iraq for the United Nations to both the scope of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs and the effectiveness of the UN weapons inspectors in ultimately eliminating them.

While we were never able to provide 100 percent certainty regarding the disposition of Iraq's proscribed weaponry, we did ascertain a 90-95 percent level of verified disarmament. This figure takes into account the destruction or dismantling of every major factory associated with prohibited weapons manufacture, all significant items of production equipment, and the majority of the weapons and agent produced by Iraq.

With the exception of mustard agent, all chemical agent produced by Iraq prior to 1990 would have degraded within five years (the jury is still out regarding Iraq's VX nerve agent program - while inspectors have accounted for the laboratories, production equipment and most of the agent produced from 1990-91, major discrepancies in the Iraqi accounting preclude any final disposition at this time.)

The same holds true for biological agent, which would have been neutralized through natural processes within three years of manufacture. Effective monitoring inspections, fully implemented from 1994-1998 without any significant obstruction from Iraq, never once detected any evidence of retained proscribed activity or effort by Iraq to reconstitute that capability which had been eliminated through inspections.

In direct contrast to these findings, the Bush administration provides only speculation, failing to detail any factually based information to bolster its claims concerning Iraq's continued possession of or ongoing efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction. To date no one has held the Bush administration accountable for its unwillingness - or inability - to provide such evidence.

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld notes that ``the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.'' This only reinforces the fact that the case for war against Iraq fails to meet the litmus test for the defense of our national existence so eloquently phrased by President Lincoln.

War should never be undertaken lightly. Our nation's founders recognized this when they penned our Constitution, giving the authority to declare war to Congress and not to the president. Yet on the issue of war with Iraq, Congress remains disturbingly mute.

Critical hearings should be convened by Congress that will ask the Bush administration tough questions about the true nature of the threat posed to the United States by Iraq. Congress should reject speculation and demand substantive answers. The logical forum for such a hearing would be the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee.

Unfortunately, the senators entrusted with such critical oversight responsibilities shy away from this task. This includes Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, a Vietnam War veteran who should understand the realities and consequences of war and the absolute requirement for certainty before committing to a course of conflict.

The apparent unwillingness of Congress to exercise its constitutional mandate of oversight, especially with regard to matters of war, represents a serious blow to American democracy. By allowing the Bush administration, in its rush toward conflict with Iraq, to circumvent the concepts of democratic accountability, Congress is failing those to whom they are ultimately responsible - the American people.

Scott Ritter is author of ``Endgame: Solving the Iraqi Problem Once and For All.''

© Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company

[Seshmeister]

Big deal? He sounded like he was mildly retarded.

Mildly?

[GAR]

What, on record, did he accomplish ??

NOT A FUCKING THING!

I got called out as a racist for pointing this out back on ddlr - I SPECIFICALLY pointed out his utter failure to yield results with the education project in the Annenberg Challenge to improve Chicago city schools.

Chicago Annenberg Challenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research said that while "student achievement improved across Annenberg Challenge schools as it did across the Chicago Public School system as a whole, results suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."

Did they blow 100M or did the pocket most of it to fuel this guy into office?

[GAR]

Bush and Cheney were the fucking worst of the worst

When the Taliban blow up the Statue of Liberty or a major airport or some such shit on Obama's watch, the only thing he's gonna strike is a match to his cigarette while he steps outside to mull over what in exactly the hell responsibility he's gotten himself into.

Bush and Cheney, probably at direction from Rumsfeld, acted and delivered action after 9/11 and if we were too deeply connected to the Saudi's by trade that we couldn't strike them, Bush and Cheney did the next best thing by laying out some pussy out in the neigboring lands who'd been taunting us for 11 years.

Those Saudis are shallow people who respect only force and Bush and Cheney showed them who's got the bigger bang even without nukes by bringing the bang into their neighborhood. That did away with 20 years of taunting from Iraq and Iran as far as they were concerned and they needed to see us mobilize.

That was a great war: guided missles, helmet cams, tank viewfinders taking out motherfuckers alongside the road at a staggering 45 - 50 mph. I've never seen anything like it.

And it was the Republicans who did that, after 911. It was the WRONG country to bring the heat on but the whole region got a little taste of "do not fuck with the US" and I don't buy the Obama bag of bullshit that the Middle East hates us for the war because everyone from there here in LA that I've talked to has said only positive things about it.

If we just went in and took out Iran, or Saudi Arabia or Yemen, that would be a disaster in many ways politically. So Iraq being the next best thing, they went down very very quickly.

In the next attack, Obama might deliberate a couple years until he decides what to do. It would please me if his security detail just spared the whole country right now and took him and his cabinet out now.

[FORD]

GAyR, the first sentence of that last post proves your an idiot. And the last sentence makes you a criminal.

[Nickdfresh]

GAyR hates America, its servicemen, and their mothers...

[GAR]

GAyR, the first sentence of that last post proves your an idiot. And the last sentence makes you a criminal.

You never know!

[sadaist]

Chimpy planned to invade Iraq even before the Supreme Court put him in office. He openly bragged about it in 1999. And his cabinet, a.k.a. PNAC, openly plotted the invasion in 1998. They just needed an excuse, which they got on 9-11-01 (regardless of what story you believe of that event itself) because they started talking about Iraq, and attempting to tie it to Saddam the very next fucking day.

And they KNEW damn well there were no weapons there, because the UN inspection team, led by a Republican Marine named Scott Ritter, told them so. As did the second UN inspection team led by Hans Blix.

It was a goddamn lie, not a "mistake". Not "bad" intelligence, deliberately falsified intelligence.

Wait, wasn't there nearly 20 UN resolutions that Saddam openly & arrogantly defied? Didn't he kick inspectors out and not let them have the access that was agreed on? Didn't he have many, many chances to avoid an invasion? And after all that, wasn't he then finally offered an 11th hour chance to give up power & leave the country?