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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49386

    Darth Cheney & CIA Deceived Congress

    NYT: Cheney linked to hiding of CIA project
    Former vice president told agency to hide it from Congress, 2 sources say

    By Scott Shane
    The New York Times
    updated 5:45 p.m. ET, Sat., July 11, 2009

    The Central Intelligence Agency withheld information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress for eight years on direct orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney, the agency’s director, Leon E. Panetta, has told the Senate and House intelligence committees, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.

    The report that Mr. Cheney was behind the decision to conceal the still-unidentified program from Congress deepened the mystery surrounding it, suggesting that the Bush administration had put a high priority on the program and its secrecy.

    Mr. Panetta, who ended the program when he first learned of its existence from subordinates on June 23, briefed the two intelligence committees about it in separate closed sessions the next day.

    Efforts to reach Mr. Cheney through relatives and associates were unsuccessful.

    The question of how completely the C.I.A. informed Congress about sensitive programs has been hotly disputed by Democrats and Republicans since May, when Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused the agency of failing to reveal in 2002 that it was waterboarding a terrorism suspect, a claim Mr. Panetta rejected.

    Some leeway on disclosure
    The law requires the president to make sure the intelligence committees “are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity.” But the language of the statute, the amended National Security Act of 1947, leaves some leeway for judgment, saying such briefings should be done “to the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources and methods or other exceptionally sensitive matters.”

    In addition, for covert action programs, a particularly secret category in which the role of the United States is hidden, the law says that briefings can be limited to the so-called Gang of Eight, consisting of the Republican and Democratic leaders of both houses of Congress and of their intelligence committees.

    The disclosure about Mr. Cheney’s role in the unidentified C.I.A. program comes a day after an inspector general’s report underscored the central role of the former vice president’s office in restricting to a small circle of officials knowledge of the National Security Agency’s program of eavesdropping without warrants, a degree of secrecy that the report concluded hurt the effectiveness of the counterterrorism surveillance effort.

    Democrats in Congress, who contend that the covert action provision was abused to cover up programs under President Bush, are seeking to change the law to permit the full committees to be briefed on more matters. President Obama, however, has threatened to veto the intelligence authorization bill if the changes go too far, and the proposal is now being negotiated by the White House and the intelligence committees.

    A spokesman for the intelligence agency, Paul Gimigliano, declined on Saturday to comment on the report of Mr. Cheney’s role.

    “It’s not agency practice to discuss what may or may not have been said in a classified briefing,” Mr. Gimigliano said. “When a C.I.A. unit brought this matter to Director Panetta’s attention, it was with the recommendation that it be shared appropriately with Congress. That was also his view, and he took swift, decisive action to put it into effect.”

    Program still classified
    Bill Harlow, a spokesman for George J. Tenet, who was the C.I.A. director when the unidentified program began, declined to comment on Saturday, noting that the program remains classified.

    Intelligence and Congressional officials have said the unidentified program did not involve the C.I.A. interrogation program and did not involve domestic intelligence activities. They have said the program was started by the counterterrorism center at the C.I.A. shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, but never became fully operational, involving planning and some training that took place off and on from 2001 until this year.

    “Because this program never went fully operational and hadn’t been briefed as Panetta thought it should have been, his decision to kill it was neither difficult nor controversial,” one intelligence official, who would speak about the classified program only on condition of anonymity. “That’s worth remembering amid all the drama.”

    Members of Congress have differed on the significance of the program, whose details remain secret. Most of those interviewed, however, have said that it was an important activity that they felt should have been disclosed.

    In the eight years of his vice presidency, Mr. Cheney was the Bush administration’s most vehement defender of the secrecy of government activities, particularly in the intelligence arena. He went to the Supreme Court to keep secret the advisers to his task force on energy, and won.

    A report released on Friday by the inspectors general of five agencies about the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance program makes clear that Mr. Cheney’s legal adviser, David S. Addington, had to personally approve every government official who was told about the program. The report said “the exceptionally compartmented nature of the program” frustrated F.B.I. agents who were assigned to follow up on tips it turned up.

    High-level N.S.A. officials who were responsible for ensuring that the surveillance program was legal, including the agency’s inspector general and general counsel, were not permitted by Mr. Cheney’s office to read the Justice Department opinion that found the eavesdropping legal, several officials said.

    Mr. Addington could not be reached for comment on Saturday.

    CIA truthfulness long questioned
    Questions over the adequacy and the truthfulness of the C.I.A.’s briefings for Congress date back to the creation of the intelligence oversight committees in the 1970s after disclosures of agency assassination and mind-control programs and other abuses. But complaints increased in the Bush years, when the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies took the major role in pursuing Al Qaeda.

    The use of harsh interrogation methods, including waterboarding, for instance, was first described to a handful of lawmakers for the first time in September 2002. Ms. Pelosi and the C.I.A. have disagreed about what she was told, but in any case, the briefing occurred only after a terrorism suspect, Abu Zubaydah, had been waterboarded 83 times.

    Representative Jan Schakowsky, a Democrat of Illinois on the House committee, wrote on Friday to the chairman, Representative Silvestre Reyes, Democrat of Texas, to demand an investigation of the unidentified program and why Congress was not told of it. Aides said Mr. Reyes was reviewing the matter.

    “There’s been a history of difficulty in getting the C.I.A. to tell us what they should,” said Representative Adam Smith, Democrat of Washington. “We will absolutely be held accountable for anything the agency does.”

    Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the committee’s top Republican, said he would not judge the agency harshly in the case of the unidentified program, because it was not fully operational. But he said that in general, the agency has not been as forthcoming as the law requires.

    “We have to pull the information out of them to get what we need,” Mr. Hoekstra said.

    This article, Cheney Is Linked to Concealment of C.I.A. Project, first appeared in The New York Times.


    Copyright © 2009 The New York Times

  • Blackflag
    Banned
    • Apr 2006
    • 3406

    #2
    I'm dying to know what this "massive" program is. I bet these cocksuckers were monitoring everything electronic from all americans...phone, internet, email. "The only trust to have in a free government is to give no man the power to endanger liberty."

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      We already know they were and are doing that...

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      • Big Train
        Full Member Status

        • Apr 2004
        • 4013

        #4
        Are these the reports Pelosi can't remember seeing, although everyone else involved knows she has?

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59245

          #5
          Cheney lied. And in other news... the sky is blue, water is wet, and it was somewhere in excess of 100 degrees in Arizona today.

          Oh.... and Chickenshit still sucks.

          I'm FORD with your Roth Army news update..........
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • Big Train
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            • Apr 2004
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            #6
            Ok you can brush over Pelosi...nothing to see here.

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 59245

              #7
              Pelosi's a useless jellyfish. You won't find me defending her or Reid very often.

              But Pelosi wasn't Speaker of the House when Cheney pulled most of this shit. Fat Bastert Hastert was.
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                Originally posted by FORD
                Cheney lied. And in other news... the sky is blue, water is wet, and it was somewhere in excess of 100 degrees in Arizona today.

                Oh.... and Chickenshit still sucks.

                I'm FORD with your Roth Army news update..........
                And a FORD can be Found On Road Dead!

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                • LoungeMachine
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 32576

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Big Train
                  Ok you can brush over Pelosi...nothing to see here.
                  LMAO

                  Like you obviously have "brushed over" Darth Cheney here?

                  hypocrite much?
                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49386

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Blackflag
                    I'm dying to know what this "massive" program is. I bet these cocksuckers were monitoring everything electronic from all americans...phone, internet, email. "The only trust to have in a free government is to give no man the power to endanger liberty."
                    It was to capture and kill al Qaida terrorists in death squad fashion I believe...

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                    • Big Train
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                      • Apr 2004
                      • 4013

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                      LMAO

                      Like you obviously have "brushed over" Darth Cheney here?

                      hypocrite much?
                      Not at all. I just want everyone involved out in the open. Darth may very well have done something illegal. My question (you'll notice it ended with a ? as most questions do) to Ford was this the same stuff that Pelosi denied. His response was to not respond.

                      I guess that makes me a hypocrite in your book.

                      They will use Cheney throughout Barry O's term to get their crap passed. "Allegations" will come out of the woodwork that never get followed up on at opportune times, like when sweeping in a "wise latina", or passing 300 pages of bullshit in the middle of the night that their own party doesn't even get to see for cap and trade. They will continue to trot out the boogeyman.

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                      • jacksmar
                        Full Member Status

                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3533

                        #12
                        Cheney lied.

                        How's about backing that FORD? Let this one play out, and when the story runs to its conclusion; you take your fist out of Ray Daniels ass, your head out of the BHO toilet where you eat that shit without question and leave this place.

                        You're so fucking sure. Get your game on, shit-stain. You willing to put your FORD rep on Cheney's word?


                        FBHO
                        A NATION OF COWARDS - Jeffrey R. Snyder

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 59245

                          #13

                          If Darth's lips are sneering, he's lying.
                          Eat Us And Smile

                          Cenk For America 2024!!

                          Justice Democrats


                          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                          • GAR
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 10881

                            #14
                            This is a weird distraction in the news to save face for Nancy Pelosi's lies by 7 Democrats in Congress, and is utter bullshit.

                            And if Bush and Cheney were to deliver Bin Laden, theyd be heroes for it and you'd be crowing along with everyone else the praise they'd receive - but instead you're still puffing that glass dick of the Pelosi Althzheimers' Seven and of course, more "Bush Bush Cheney Bush."

                            Stick to what you know, music and conspiracy stories. Backing Pelosi's retards only makes you look more retarded than Barney Faggot Frank.

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49386

                              #15
                              How did she lie? In fact, she's largely been vindicated by DCI Panetta's disclosure...

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