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Permission is not needed to enter an open door. There must be some sort of barrier. If the person being questioned goes to retrieve an object, observation of retrieving object would be expected, especially a person being question at a B&E. A B&E occurred; no matter if or if not the B&E was committed by the occupant.
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Last edited by standin; 07-23-2009, 06:44 PM.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate. -
You may know from previous posts that I'm generally not a fan of the police... but, there's obviously a dispute about the facts here. None of us knows what happened at this point. And for the president to comment at this point is just bizarre. Inappropriate pandering.
And, I'm sure there are any number of people that got their rights violated by the cops around the country this week...but this one gets the president's special attention. Why? Because it's Harvard? Suck my dick.Comment
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Nobody's blaming the cop for responding to the call. But once Gates' identity as the lawful resident of the home was established, then there was no reason for the officer to continue to be there.
If somebody is in my home without cause, badge or not, they're gonna hear from me about it.Eat Us And Smile
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It is Haaaavard, Dear Blackie, It is Haaaavard.
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People to an extent, may be considered trespassing if given previous warning.
However, you are incorrect. Leave an entrance obstructed and you cannot have expectation of a boundary. A person that does not enter the dwelling, has no interest or is being polite.
Moreover, LEO has a different set of laws to follow when dealing with what is and is not a boundary that can be crossed.Last edited by standin; 07-23-2009, 07:03 PM.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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You and Nickipedia should start an internet law firm and name it Misinformation & Bullshit, LLP.Last edited by Blackflag; 07-23-2009, 07:00 PM.Comment
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You know, Blackie. Leave your door open and complain to another about wandering people.
But know this, when dealing with an LEO that might have undue or due interest in you. If you go out of the home, close the door behind you. If for what ever reason an LEO is has been called to your residence he may pass through reasonable opening to in due coarse of his business.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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You know, I finally read the report.
Why did he not simply call maintenance to open his door for him. That is odd. Of course him breaking into a maintained residence would be unusual. And if the Harvard was not maintaining the home. Why would he not call his own locksmith to gain access to his home instead of busting down the front door? Odd behavior.MICHAEL G. MULLENTo put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.Comment
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I'm on the cops side. He followed procedure and was calm. The guy has no right to be harrassing himself of the officer. The officer could have seen Gate's aggression as possibly becoming physical. Whether you feel it's right or wrong, he is within his rights at that point to arrest him for safety reasons alone.
For those looking for the stereotypical "racist cop" angle, Crowley is a bad example. The man has taught racial profiling classes to cadets in Lowell for the last five years. He was at Brandeis when Len Bias died in the early 90's, administering CPR.
As a Boston native I know this. He is a Cambridge cop. If it were Somerville or South Boston or Roxbury or Mattapan, I'd be more suspect of the cop. Cambridge is THE most PC place in the city and the most likely to have it's officers jump through hoops in situations like this. I get a laugh everytime I go there to visit friends. There are signs all over the city saying "This is a domestic violence free zone" (my friend says the signs cost 180k). As if you went to the store to get some milk, walked by it and thought" oh yea, domestic violence free zone. I was gonna pop the old lady in the head, but then this sign set me straight".Comment
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