Ted Kennedy Dies of Brain Cancer at Age 77

[Nickdfresh]

Bush was the worst. He set the stage for the commie pinkos to take over

Then so did the stupid asses that voted for him. TWICE!!

[lesfunk]

That's one mistake America won't make with the current president

[Nickdfresh]

That's one mistake America won't make with the current president

Yeah. He's not fucking retarded.

[Big Train]

Or cliches...

Negligent homicide in 1969? You mean like Nixon and Kissinger privately admitting that the Vietnam War was lost and the Vietnamese would inevitably collapse once the US withdrew, but yet still sent hundreds of good men to their death.

Or we can go on about Bush, the guy you voted for despite knowing what a fail he was...

Yea, murder is a cliche, I get it.

How about we stick to the person in question, instead of sidestepping it looking for other things to compare it to?

[FORD]

Bush was the worst. He set the stage for the commie pinkos to take over

Commie pinkos? Shit, I'm still waiting for Obama to do anything remotely "liberal". Let alone anything that could be even jokingly called "communist".

[chefcraig]

The time frame is the clincher in this and why in the fuck would you call your lawyer first instead of the police.

Remarkably, Charles Lindbergh did the exact same thing after discovering his son had been kidnapped. The outcome of both cases remains dubious to this day.

[Nickdfresh]

Yea, murder is a cliche, I get it.

Why, whomever was murdered, Agatha Christie?

Let us all know on that one, mmm'kay?

How about we stick to the person in question, instead of sidestepping it looking for other things to compare it to?

You mean focusing on one singular tragic accident, and attempting to define an entire life by it?

[Big Train]

mmmmmkay Inspector..

Her name was Mary Jo Kopechne

I get that the basic concepts escape you sometimes...

Negligent homicide is a criminal charge brought against people who, through criminal negligence, allow others to die.

When you leave the scene of a crime and forget or more accurately, DECIDE, not to call for help until your defense is established, that is negligent.

You know like when you go home, call your lawyer, come back with them, decide you can't do anything and then wait till morning for whoever comes by to find her...that sort of thing.

I'm not trying to define his life, but it did define a large part of the character he chose to live his life by. That is willfully being ignored in the media at this point.

[Nickdfresh]

mmmmmkay Inspector..

Her name was Mary Jo Kopechne

Really? You sure?

I get that the basic concepts escape you sometimes...

Negligent homicide is a criminal charge brought against people who, through criminal negligence, allow others to die.

Yeah, because he was planning on driving off a bridge the whole time. I'm pretty sure he "allowed her to die" too. I mean, what would make a nicer Sunday morning than driving off a bridge and allowing someone to die?

Or maybe there were other mitigating circumstances? Such as it was an unlit rural road on a backwater island at night...

When you leave the scene of a crime and forget or more accurately, DECIDE, not to call for help until your defense is established, that is negligent.

It's not really "negligent." His driving was "negligent" and his actions were appalling to an extent. I'm not defending them. But he was obviously in shock and there was probably no question that she was dead at that point.

You know like when you go home, call your lawyer, come back with them, decide you can't do anything and then wait till morning for whoever comes by to find her...that sort of thing.

I never said anything other than that he should have called the police. But, it wouldn't have saved her if he did. You and your silly partisan ilk act as if he had a choice of her life and death that night and chose the latter. That's bullshit..

I'm not trying to define his life, but it did define a large part of the character he chose to live his life by. That is willfully being ignored in the media at this point.

I agree with the first point, but you've buried your head underground if you believe the latter. NPR, the bastion of "liberal media" did an extensive package of the events at Chappaquiddick and it was a pretty obvious 800lbs. gorilla when one discusses Ted's presidential aspirations as it killed them. Perhaps even in Ted's own subconscious judging by his bizarre, almost surreal answer to the question, "why do you want to be president?" in an interview during the 1980 primary season. So no one COULD have ignored it. You think they "ignored" it because they didn't dwell on it every third sentence...

[Nickdfresh]

Don't know anything about his domestic record but I'm glad he never made president. Chappaquiddick was no blow job in the oval office or even covering up a burglary.

Nixon did far more than just "cover a burglary." And yes, Chappaquiddick was no blow job. But it also killed what MIGHT have been his presidential aspirations. There are those that would argue that he never wanted it, and was pushed to candidacy by family and sycophants. But he was morbidly sure he'd end up like his three dead brothers if he did become POTUS...

He was a poodle of the Israelis and duped into raising money for Irish terrorists so responsible for spreading misery and death to hundreds if not thousands.

He also did more to bring peace to Northern Ireland than any of your shitty British politicians in bed with ("loyalist") "terrorists" themselves...

Various shades of gray my friend. Various shades of gray...

[Seshmeister]

Nixon did far more than just "cover a burglary." And yes, Chappaquiddick was no blow job. But it also killed what MIGHT have been his presidential aspirations. There are those that would argue that he never wanted it, and was pushed to candidacy by family and sycophants. But he was morbidly sure he'd end up like his three dead brothers if he did become POTUS...

That's even worse.

A girl had to die because he didn't want to say he was too scared to run for president?

Also he used the Jewish lobby against Carter when Carter was quite rightly not vetoing Israeli illegalities in the UN and making more progress in the Middle East than any other president ever has. There was some collusion between British politicians and loyalist groups but the loyalist scumbags weren't setting bombs off in public places.

As I said I know nothing of his domestic work but from where I am he looks very dark grey...

[Nickdfresh]

That's even worse.

A girl had to die because he didn't want to say he was too scared to run for president?

Oh please. You're smarter than that. Really? Is that what I said?

Also he used the Jewish lobby against Carter when Carter was quite rightly not vetoing Israeli illegalities in the UN and making more progress in the Middle East than any other president ever has.

He used the Jewish Lobby as part of his own agenda to enact health care reform and to unseat a President and candidate widely seen as faltering and vulnerable to the GOP. He was, Reagan defeated him. How'd that work out for Israel? Pretty well I'd say...

.There was some collusion between British politicians and loyalist groups but the loyalist scumbags weren't setting bombs off in public places.

Actually, some residents of Dublin might say otherwise. In any case, the Unionist militants didn't need too. Those on power don't set off the bombs in their spheres of control. The resistance to them does.

The Unionist terrorists were too busy abducting 'Papists' and murdering them in ritualistic, serial killer fashion, which is sort of what began the modern round of the "Troubles" (1969-2001)

As I said I know nothing of his domestic work but from where I am he looks very dark grey...

As opposed to what? Reagan? Thatcher? He was the opposition to them...

[Seshmeister]

You know fine that NORAID at best naively raised money that was used to buy bombs which were set off killing hundreds of innocent civilians in the UK. Northern Ireland is a complex place but the bare facts are that it was a democracy and could have voted to join the rest of Ireland at any time. It's also funny to read now in released government papers that was the absolute last thing Dublin wanted because it could never have been able to cope with the security situation.

I hate both sides in that stupid conflict but I obviously am not a fan of one of the main guys that helped pour petrol on the situation whether it was through stupidity or as a way of keeping power and votes. I don't agree he was a hugely significant figure in bringing peace except from the point of view of ending the flow of guns and money that he had previously been help send.

The real end of the major armed struggle in NI was 9-11 because after that it was unthinkable that people in the US would send money to terrorist organisations again. Their government may but not the man in the street.

I can see though that if he was the opposition to Reagan and Thatcher for you then that counts for a lot.

[Nickdfresh]

You know fine that NORAID at best naively raised money that was used to buy bombs which were set off killing hundreds of innocent civilians in the UK.

NORAID raised money for the PRIA no doubt about it. I'm not apologizing for their terrorist actions nor do I agree with many of the fuckwits in the organization.

--But--

You'd have to show me the statistics of the "hundreds" of innocents. I think 3,000 were killed in total on all sides, and most were combatants in one form or another. And many were of all sectarian affiliations that were killed by both sides as dumbfuck terrorists tend often not to check the religious upbringing of their victims...

Northern Ireland is a complex place but the bare facts are that it was a democracy and could have voted to join the rest of Ireland at any time. It's also funny to read now in released government papers that was the absolute last thing Dublin wanted because it could never have been able to cope with the security situation.

Then it was what I think either Adams or Jefferson called "The Tyranny of Democracy." And you could just as easily state that the South in the United States was a "democracy" during segregation and the "Jim Crow" era when blacks were being lynched.

But I totally agree that any unification of Ireland involves a popular democratic plebiscite of the populace. And of course the Irish gov't feared that they would simply exchange roles with the British and have their vastly less funded army patrolling districts of protestants in Belfast and Derry where the British Army had been previously...

I hate both sides in that stupid conflict but I obviously am not a fan of one of the main guys that helped pour petrol on the situation whether it was through stupidity or as a way of keeping power and votes. I don't agree he was a hugely significant figure in bringing peace except from the point of view of ending the flow of guns and money that he had previously been help send.

There would have been no guns and money sent if the British had more controlled their Unionist lapdogs that pretty much wanted to ethnically cleanse Northern Ireland of Catholics to prevent inevitable long term result of the very vote you've mentioned above as early as the late 1960s. If he poured gasoline on the situation, then so be it. But the British government did fucking more to create an effective Provisional Irish Republican Army than did any stupid US politicians that was "Irish in name only," or a "Lucky Charms" Irishman who was of a well-to-do family that was largely ignorant of their immigrant past and was pretty much unaware of it until Democratic political operatives pushed JFK to visit the 'homeland' in the early 1960s..

The real end of the major armed struggle in NI was 9-11 because after that it was unthinkable that people in the US would send money to terrorist organisations again. Their government may but not the man in the street.

That's partly true. But there were also genuine reforms within the UK system that the Nationalists could no longer dismiss and the whole gorilla in the room is that Catholic "Irish" are out reproducing the Protestants in NI and the Irish economy is getting stronger, which sort of makes Armalites and bombs obsolete and even more stupid and indefensible than they generally are...

I can see though that if he was the opposition to Reagan and Thatcher for you then that counts for a lot.

Well, what does supporting them do for you?

[Jesus Christ]

The Irish situation troubles Me greatly. Both sides claim to follow Me, but neither act like it.