Attention 9/11 Truthers

[Guitar Shark]

This program is worth a viewing.

9/11: Science and Conspiracy | National Geographic Channel

[standin]

Conspiracy theorists say jet fuel fires couldn?t have brought down the towers -- but a simulation of the impact proves otherwise.

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Could the towers have been brought down by controlled demolition? Blasting a college dorm might help us answer that question

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One theory suggests the real planes were diverted, and rogue planes full of explosives took their place. But what would it take to pull off such a complex operation?

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[bueno bob]

It's pretty simple. Al Qaeda struck against a visible symbol of American Imperialism under the pretext of "holy agenda". Not difficult to figure out and nothing more complex than that. Islam in general took the biggest hit, though.

I'm not a 9-11 truther; I find them about as interesting as people who believe in Bigfoot and think the lunar landing was a hoax. But I do blame Bill Clinton for not acting on their quite visible threat when he had the opportunity to do so.

[Seshmeister]

It's turned into a religion for these 'truther' fuckwits now.

They won't listen to reason and put a faith in any old illogical bullshit as long as it fits with their doctrine which is pretty much the definition of a religion.

[Panamark]

When a Christian American pulled off the same stunt in Oklahoma without
a plane involved, years later nobody gives a fuck ???

So some arabs hijacked some jets and slammed em into the biggest targets
on the skyline (I reckon I could have done the same after a case of beer)
and because they are not Christian, theories run rampant.

Not saying thats my definite thinking, just another angle to contemplate...

[bueno bob]

Religion is religion, yeah, but in the case of 9-11 it really was more economic. Allah be blessed and all that happy horseshit, that's all good, but Osama had been pissed ever since the end of Rambo III and America said "Fuck you assholes" after the cold war ground to a halt. Oh, all was peachy keen when they were kicking the snot out of the Russians, we loved that shit, and financed it (damn Soviet aggressors!), but they found out pretty quickly just how quickly the cash dried up once the Soviets were repelled.

Operation Cyclone gave them a taste of America's imperialism and the cash flow that came with it, and once it was gone, well...you do the math. But without the Soviet aggression, all they had to offer for it? Sand. King Fahd opting for American assistance a few years later over Osama's assistance didn't help bin Laden's disposition much, for sure, and Osama's subsequent Saudi citizenship being revoked along with his little trip to Sudan certainly put a bad taste in his mouth towards American money and what all it could buy...

Anyway, the extremist Islam religion, as always, is just a government tool of statecraft in regards to how to package economic aggression. 9-11 was about striking out at the rich; religion was the Halloween mask they used to take it out to do a little early trick-or-treating in.

The lesson? ALL religions are simply tools to hide deeper agendas inside of, and those agendas are based around cash (power) or the lack thereof. Religions are a tool to crusade for money - doesn't matter if you're Osama, Benny Hinn or your local pastor. The names and faces change, but the story is always the same...sometimes it's just on a more grandiose scale.

[Panamark]

Yes ! Bueno Bob !

[Panamark]

I think the same way, but it pisses off western civilization more when the exact same crimes are committed by "non western christian" religions.....

So its not only a mask for the attackers, but an excuse for opposition.....

[Seshmeister]

Religions are a tool to crusade for money - doesn't matter if you're Osama, Benny Hinn or your local pastor. The names and faces change, but the story is always the same...sometimes it's just on a more grandiose scale.

Money or power.

It's really difficult to convince people to risk their lives fighting for you without a religion to promise them an afterlife.

[Panamark]

Money or power.

It's really difficult to convince people to risk their lives fighting for you without a religion to promise them an afterlife.

If I believe my late grandfather, (and I do) he genuinely wanted to
stop the Japanese from invading his beloved Australia via New Guinea.
No religion involved in his decision.....

[sadaist]

"holy agenda"

religion...
faith....

Christian American

Religion...
Allah...
Islam...

"non western christian" religions.....

Dang. I thought this was about if 9-11 was a terrorist act or an inside job. Didn't realize it was just a thread of diatribes against any & all religions.

[WACF]

If I believe my late grandfather, (and I do) he genuinely wanted to
stop the Japanese from invading his beloved Australia via New Guinea.
No religion involved in his decision.....

Very true.

For many the call to serve is about who they are...not what they do.

[bueno bob]

Dang. I thought this was about if 9-11 was a terrorist act or an inside job. Didn't realize it was just a thread of diatribes against any & all religions.

Alright, well...let's see if we can clear this up for you, since your scroll feature doesn't seem to work on your computer. I originally posted the following about whether or not it was an 'inside job' or actually done by the group in question:

It's pretty simple. Al Qaeda struck against a visible symbol of American Imperialism under the pretext of "holy agenda".

Now, this is my way of saying WHY it was obviously not an 'inside job'. Are you following so far? Good. I went on, in the same post, to say the following:

Not difficult to figure out and nothing more complex than that. Islam in general took the biggest hit, though.

I'm not a 9-11 truther; I find them about as interesting as people who believe in Bigfoot and think the lunar landing was a hoax. But I do blame Bill Clinton for not acting on their quite visible threat when he had the opportunity to do so.

OK? Still on the same page? Because now the door as to the motives behind al-Qaeda's attack has been opened for discussion based on the post. You know, it's a pretty easy way for the discussion to go...we believe they did it which blends casually into why did they do it? Well, guess what? Religion and economics would be the why of that topic, because economics (first and foremost) and religion were the nail and hammer of 9-11.

That's called "conversational flow". Often times when discussion about a particular topic ensues, the parameters of the topic will expand to include other facets about the topic not limited to the original boundaries established within the given subject. In a sense, it's like starting a conversation about the planet Earth and then having the discussion end up evolving into the people on the planet Earth; the people on the planet are not "the planet", but they do impact the original subject matter greatly. Another example of this would be, oh, 9-11 and how it had to do with (you guessed it!) religion and economics.

Hopefully this clears it up for ya. I hope so, because I can't fucking believe I just wasted four minutes of my life explaining how a conversation grows and evolves when that should already be common sense to anybody capable of conversation, particularly on an open forum like a message board.

[Coyote]

This whole fuckin' conversation seems more like Mormons and Catholics debating whose interpretation is better.

[Nitro Express]

I used to work for a demolition company. Wiring up both World Trade Center towers to fall that perfect would be a huge job and how do you do it without being seen? Apparently some people think thermite was used. Sure that can cut steel but you need to bring the buildings straight down in a controlled manner. Why the World Trade Center had castastrophic failure and came straight down was due to it's unique birdcage structure. If it was post and beam like a traditional skyscraper it probably would still be standing. What happened is the burning kerosene and oxygen got hot enough to weaken the floor joists and then the floors dominoed down within the veritcal beams.

I still think the powers that be let it happen. Study the ties of the Bush family and the Bin Laden group and their ties to the CIA and it makes you think.