U.S. Health Care: Massive Waste, Fraud, and Abuse!

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  • Blackflag
    Banned
    • Apr 2006
    • 3406

    #31
    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Isn't that what the military is for?

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58813

      #32
      Originally posted by standin
      Wow, that sounds like a direct quote from a JW elder. The Awake in interesting, but the Watchtower is a bit dry. How far along are you? Have you started attending Theocratic Study? Did you get reinstated?
      Pibbles is a Jehova's Witless??

      What a thoroughly pointless religion....

      You can't get into Heaven, because your odds of being one of the 144,000 (out of all creation) who get there are ridiculously high.

      There's no Hell, so no incentive NOT to sin, since you won't go to Heaven anyway.

      The "best" you can hope for is to be resurrected to the newly "remodeled by Jehova" earth, where you get to knock on doors and peddle Awake & Watchtower magazines for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like fun.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • Blackflag
        Banned
        • Apr 2006
        • 3406

        #33
        That's me. A libertarian Jehovah's Witness from Yakima.

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #34
          Originally posted by FORD
          What a thoroughly pointless religion....

          You can't get into Heaven, because your odds of being one of the 144,000 (out of all creation) who get there are ridiculously high.

          There's no Hell, so no incentive NOT to sin, since you won't go to Heaven anyway.

          You think you're going to Heaven ??

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          • standin
            Veteran
            • Apr 2009
            • 2274

            #35
            Originally posted by FORD
            Pibbles is a Jehova's Witless??

            What a thoroughly pointless religion....

            You can't get into Heaven, because your odds of being one of the 144,000 (out of all creation) who get there are ridiculously high.

            There's no Hell, so no incentive NOT to sin, since you won't go to Heaven anyway.

            The "best" you can hope for is to be resurrected to the newly "remodeled by Jehova" earth, where you get to knock on doors and peddle Awake & Watchtower magazines for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like fun.

            Well, hell for JWs is very close to what atheist believe. It simply does not exist. Hell is not being brought back from the dead. Zombie-land! Well not exactly, everyone and thing on Paradise Earth is perfect.

            Heaven is for the Ruling Party (sounds like work. I was tricked a few times as a kid by the "Betty Bi's Party", that was just going to bed.) Paradise Earth is where everyone is a Witness, no sadness or death. So that would mean, Everyone is vegetarian (or doesn't eat at all) and everyone is on Prozac.
            A charismatic's delight.
            Last edited by standin; 10-28-2009, 05:28 PM.
            To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
            MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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            • Seshmeister
              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

              • Oct 2003
              • 35210

              #36
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              You think you're going to Heaven ??
              You think you are?

              If I had your belief system I would have sold all my musical equipment and given the money to the poor along with the money for my broadband connection. To risk in any way eternal paradise compared to torture in hell for worldly comfort over a relatively tiny period is insane.

              So like the 9-11 suicide bombers going to strip clubs the day before, you are relying on Jesus not really meaning it really absolutely. You want him to say well you kind of did a bit more than FORD by singing on Sundays for half your life.

              That's kind of a mad crazy completely illogical gamble do you not think?

              Choosing material possessions you get to keep for a blink of a moment compared to an eternity of misery and torture. Risking that you don't need to give away most of your stuff to the poor after all. According to the book Jesus never mentioned gay sex or marriage but he did seem be obessed with money given most of his teachings were about it.

              Cheers!


              Last edited by Seshmeister; 10-28-2009, 09:31 PM.

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              • lesfunk
                Full Member Status

                • Jan 2004
                • 3583

                #37
                I've had dealings with some JWs over the years and have found them to be really decent, honest folks. Other than waking me up knocking on my door handing me buulshit pamphlets.
                Those cocksucker Evangelical cultists on the other hand....
                http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=4448212&t=o GIFSoup

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Seshmeister
                  That's kind of a mad crazy completely illogical gamble do you not think?

                  Yes, I do think along those lines...

                  The words of Jesus are easy to read, but they can be hard to do...

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                  • Fuct Jup
                    Head Fluffer
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 236

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    Healthcare flushes $800bn down the drain annually
                    by Jaspreet Kaur - October 27, 2009

                    Washington, October 27 -- According to a report released by Thomson Reuters on Monday, the U.S. healthcare system squanders a lot of funds and approximately $505 billion to $850 billion go waste every year. Healthcare system in the country can be improved by simply taking care of the inadequacies and fighting against frauds

                    Thomson Reuters discovered that healthcare costs can be drastically cut down by avoiding errors, combating frauds, and repairing some of the most visible inefficiencies in the healthcare system

                    One-third of the country’s healthcare bill wasted: Kelley
                    The latest report says, “America’s healthcare system is indeed haemorrhaging billions of dollars, and the opportunities to slow the fiscal bleeding are substantial.”

                    Robert Kelley, Vice-President of healthcare analytics at Thomson Reuters was quoted as saying, “The bad news is that an estimated $700 billion is wasted annually. That’s one-third of the nation’s healthcare bill.”

                    He further added, “The good news is that by attacking waste we can reduce healthcare costs without adversely affecting the quality of care or access to care.”

                    Citing one example, Kelley explained that a paper-based system that does not allow the sharing of medical records leads to an increase in the yearly overspending by 6 percent.

                    The report by Thomson Reuters reads, “It is waste when caregivers duplicate tests because results recorded in a patient’s record with one provider are not available to another or when medical staff provides inappropriate treatment because relevant history of previous treatment cannot be accessed.”

                    Important findings of the new report
                    Following are some of the other important findings that have been mentioned in the report from Thomson Reuters:

                    1. Excessive use of antibiotics and lab tests to guard against mismanagement accounts for 37 percent of healthcare waste. This is equivalent to $200 to $300 billion a year.

                    2. Frauds and scams constitute 22 percent of healthcare waste. This means fake Medicare claims, bribes for referrals of unnecessary services etc. eat up to $200 billion annually.

                    3. 18 percent of healthcare waste is attributed to unnecessary paperwork and the incompetence prevalent in the administrative departments.

                    4. Medical mistakes lead to losses ranging between $50 billion to $100 billion.

                    5. Avoidable conditions such as uncontrolled diabetes cost $30 billion to $50 billion annually.

                    Healthcare system bad when compared to Canada's
                    The report also reads, “The average U.S. hospital spends one-quarter of its budget on billing and administration, nearly twice the average in Canada.”

                    The new report also makes a reference to the 2003 New England Journal of Medicine paper by Harvard University researcher Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, where it was found that, “American physicians spend nearly eight hours per week on paperwork and employ 1.66 clerical workers per doctor, far more than in Canada.”

                    Even with the presence of so much workforce, primary care doctors are not enough in the country, and the emergency services are not utilized properly. The system surely needs a brush-up if the common people have to benefit.

                    Healthcare flushes $800bn down the drain annually | The Money Times

                    Yea - so lets get every American under a Govt run Healthcare system that would allow for triple the fraud and waste. Go Pelosicare!
                    Anything left in that bottle?

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32798

                      #40
                      Originally posted by standin
                      Wow, that sounds like a direct quote from a JW elder. The Awake in interesting, but the Watchtower is a bit dry. How far along are you? Have you started attending Theocratic Study? Did you get reinstated?
                      I believe the same guy that was behind starting the Jahova's Witnesses was also behind the Skull and Bones club. Or maybe it was the Unitarian Church. I'll have to look it up.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32798

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Fuct Jup
                        Yea - so lets get every American under a Govt run Healthcare system that would allow for triple the fraud and waste. Go Pelosicare!
                        I think the same corrupt insurance companies will still be in charge but the govt. will hold a gun to our heads and force us to pay a 12% plus tax. Remember when the Federal Income Tax started in 1913 it was 1%. Once you give them the authority, they pound a big log up your ass with a sledge hammer down the road.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #42
                          Anyways. These globalist assholes are pretty obvious. They are openly talking about a new world currency, they call Obama president of the world and make him head of the UN and give him the Nobel Piece Prize, they have been promoting the hell out of a possible flu pandemic. Basically, the world could die from the flu, you are broke, Obama is the savior. In my best Darth Vader voice,"Join us and we can safe the world."
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32798

                            #43
                            Aw fuck. The future is going to be an episode of Star Wars. I want to be Hans Solo.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49219

                              #44
                              Originally posted by lesfunk
                              I've had dealings with some JWs over the years and have found them to be really decent, honest folks. Other than waking me up knocking on my door handing me buulshit pamphlets.
                              Those cocksucker Evangelical cultists on the other hand....
                              Who's that in your avatar? Looks like Bill Murray...

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                              • Nickdfresh
                                SUPER MODERATOR

                                • Oct 2004
                                • 49219

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Fuct Jup
                                Yea - so lets get every American under a Govt run Healthcare system that would allow for triple the fraud and waste. Go Pelosicare!
                                Few Americans would actually qualify for "Pelosi care," but nice job ignoring the other $500-600 billion wasted largely at the behest of insurers in their paperwork claptrap...

                                Secondly, part of reform is beginning to tackle fraud and eliminate "Premium" Medicare to make it more of a balanced system...

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