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Where does this silly notion of Obama "doing nothing" come from? He's saddled with two wars he didn't start, the worst economy since 1940 (he didn't cause), pushing for major health reform in one of the biggest changes since Medicare was passed, and trying to institute real changes on Wall St.
You can say he's not doing anything particularity well, but he has been doing something. He has been trying even if he's a bit overwhelmed. And he basically has been President since last November when Dumbya hid in the basement during the economic collapse and at least he's put forth something resembling some sort of actual fucking leadership that we've lacked. When the economy begins to really pull up and almost full employment returns, I think there will be some sort of payoff for not electing a total moron like Palin, and a competent, but aging and declining McCain (who in real terms has less GOP support than Obama did/does)...Last edited by Nickdfresh; 11-04-2009, 08:01 AM.Comment
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I think people are feeling the let-down for having too high of expectations for significant change brought about by Obama's election.
It's more of leveling effect once the campaign rhetoric is displaced by the beaurocratic reality that sweeping change in Washington just isn't possible at a rapid rate most people "think" they want to see. A ship this big just isn't capable of turning on a dime and shifting radical course direction rapidly... that's by design for the most part.
I like the fact that we are talking and focusing on domestic issues like Healthcare. I don't like the current price-tags kicked about... but I do like the fact that it's being worked with a certain degree of urgency.
In the economy... I'd really like to see federal regulators start working within the current legal arena to ferrit out some of the large fraud that Wall St went out on a limb and nearly crashed the global economy... this is an area I think the US has not addressed and is holding back recovery and job growth that other nations are already starting to show good signs of recovery.
On the wars... I think the Afganistan election has been playing a huge role in the wait and see before we act scenario playing out. We can't invest in surges or major strategy shifts with a local government on the edge of colapse. The key there is getting Pakistan off their asses and crushing the the tribal areas separating the two countries...
In Iraq, we need to accelerate toward an end game and start moving out. It's time for them to cowboy up and take control of their country.
We also need to quit being so distracted with Iran's bullshit... they are becoming the ADHD attention whores competing with North Korea for a seat at the big table. Slap em hard and shut them up for a year or two so we can finishup the other crap in the mid-east.
Overall the Dem/Rep or Liberal/Neocon crap really doesn't hold any water for me... wasted energy. Obama is the figure-head, the leader and still holds the possibility of making positive change. He's what we got for the next 3 years and we got plenty of things to fix. There are things I like about him... some I hope he doesn't screw up by putting the wrong leadership in place. I'd just like to see us get traction for once on some of the current issues we face...Last edited by ZahZoo; 11-04-2009, 10:48 AM."If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”Comment
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Anything left in that bottle?Comment
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Okay, I'll rephrase. He is doing plenty, but accomplishing nothing. Other than assisting on others campaigns, giving speeches, beer summits, Olympics panels, golf, date night, celebrities at the White House, TV commercials for George Lopez, photo ops. and handing out doctors coats, throwing out first pitches, and sticking his face in front of almost every camera that he can...he is doing nothing.
You mention two wars he inherited, yet he can't seem to do anything about them. Meanwhile, October 2009 was the most deadly of ANY month since the war began years ago. He states he wants to make sure he makes the correct decision and really thinks it through before sending any troops into harms way. News flash Obama...they are already there in harms way. While you decide whether or not to do anything, they are dying. Agree with him or not, Bush at least made decisions. Sure, some didn't get implemented due to congress stopping them, but at least the guy was decisive. I think most people expected Obama to be just as decisive, albeit in a totally different direction.
He likes to come across as some great intellectual mind in deep thought, but at some point he needs to make a decision and actually implement all these terrific things he has pondered over. Especially now while his party has full control and should be able to get a huge amount of their agenda done. Obama has already squandered many, many months of this full control and will be viewed as a failure if Republicans recover any ground in upcoming elections and Obama loses that full control.
He has put way too much into the health care bill. So many other things are happening, yet he & most other Democrats can't seem to get this done or do anything else while this is happening. It's almost like their stove only has one burner, and health care is the dish they are currently cooking.
Now, in 2 years I may come back and eat these words. If all these things he is talking about finally somehow come through and are a great success, then I'll be dead wrong here. But 1 year into this Presidential term, I don't see anything even close to what the guy promised or what everyone believed about him.“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”Comment
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In comparison to which president and when?
You mean like Reagan did?Other than assisting on others campaigns, giving speeches, beer summits, Olympics panels, golf, date night, celebrities at the White House, TV commercials for George Lopez, photo ops. and handing out doctors coats, throwing out first pitches, and sticking his face in front of almost every camera that he can...
But he's not doing nothing, kiddo. You can accuse Obama of many things, but "doing nothing" or being lazy aren't on the table.....he is doing nothing.
Absolutely fucking false!! One of the reasons that Afghanistan is bloodier for American troops is exactly because Obama committed to a more aggressive counterinsurgency strategy.You mention two wars he inherited, yet he can't seem to do anything about them. Meanwhile, October 2009 was the most deadly of ANY month since the war began years ago.
And you know how you don't hear about Iraq much anymore? Well, that's because most US troops have been withdrawn from direct combat and are out of the cities, per Obama's orders....
He's talking about dedicating to a long term war policy and to which direction US forces should go, ergo counter-terrorism or counterinsurgency (like Iraq). Is that something you'd like him to rush?He states he wants to make sure he makes the correct decision and really thinks it through before sending any troops into harms way. News flash Obama...they are already there in harms way. While you decide whether or not to do anything, they are dying. Agree with him or not, Bush at least made decisions. Sure, some didn't get implemented due to congress stopping them, but at least the guy was decisive. I think most people expected Obama to be just as decisive, albeit in a totally different direction.
How do you know what "he likes to come across" as?He likes to come across as some great intellectual mind in deep thought, but at some point he needs to make a decision and actually implement all these terrific things he has pondered over. Especially now while his party has full control and should be able to get a huge amount of their agenda done. Obama has already squandered many, many months of this full control and will be viewed as a failure if Republicans recover any ground in upcoming elections and Obama loses that full control.
Secondly, there is no "his party." You have instead wings of parties that have differing ideologies. There really should be about five or six parties instead of two.
Thirdly, Obama has from the beginning of his presidency sought to be inclusive and to govern by consensus unlike his predecessor. One of the reasons he has not forced his point of view more aggressively is that hes seeking bipartisanship rather than his own mandate. I wonder why he bothers...
Except the health care meltdown disaster is consuming the American economy...He has put way too much into the health care bill. So many other things are happening, yet he & most other Democrats can't seem to get this done or do anything else while this is happening. It's almost like their stove only has one burner, and health care is the dish they are currently cooking.
Only two years? In 1982, Reagan looked like one of the largest douchebags in the Western Hemisphere...Now, in 2 years I may come back and eat these words. If all these things he is talking about finally somehow come through and are a great success, then I'll be dead wrong here. But 1 year into this Presidential term, I don't see anything even close to what the guy promised or what everyone believed about him.Comment
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Maybe you should have taken a little longer for your response DemoCuntdfresh.
The Stimulus package has done Nothing! NOTHING - we were promised that if we didn't pass the stimulus package we would have a 8% unemployment rate - now we are at 1.23 trillion in debt and unemployment is at 10% and higher in some states. Jobs Saved is a fucking Joke. How do you measure it? Oh yea - Obama doesn't know.
Discussion on Healthcare? HA! There has been no discussion - these bills are partisan bills that are being shoved down Americans throats and the latest has a 1.2 Trillion price tag. No body wants this bill. Medicaid is bankrupt - how is bringing in 34 million more people into a govt run healthcare system program going to save it?
Iraq - Dicksucker PLEASE. Iraq is stable - lets get most of the troops out and focus on Afghanistan
What Obama should do (that he hasn't done):
* Give tax breaks for Small Businesses - that would create jobs.
* Overhaul Medicaid not the entire health care system. Why do we need to change the lives of everybody that is already happy with their healthcare coverage?
* Tort Reform and prevent frivolous lawsuits - this would bring health care costs way down and prevent Dr's from performing unnecessary tests.
* Support the troops in Afghanistan - this was the War that he handpicked a General to oversee and now he doesn't listen to him.
* Stop the spending and bailing out failed Companies and banks
Just to name a few, I could go on for hours.
If you feel that you are so right in your support of this Administration and I am so wrong, why do we see these Headlines everywhere today?
AP Analysis: Nervous Voters Send Message to Obama
What the Voters Told Us Last Night
A Year Later, Americans Less Sure About Obama
Suburban Voters: The Real Bad Sign for Dems
Last Night's Big Lesson for Democrats
Contests Serve as Warning to Democrats
A Deathblow For ObamaCare
You are a joke.Last edited by Fuct Jup; 11-04-2009, 04:57 PM.Anything left in that bottle?Comment
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Maybe you should speed up your tedious asshole responses?
Um, douchebag, it hasn't "done nothing," and the stat wasn't "8%," it was 9%. We're just under 10%. And who gives a fuck about 'some states?' You never have qualified such stats before, like when that retard you voted for was in...The Stimulus package has done Nothing! NOTHING - we were promised that if we didn't pass the stimulus package we would have a 8% unemployment rate - now we are at 1.23 trillion in debt and unemployment is at 10% and higher in some states. Jobs Saved is a fucking Joke. How do you measure it? Oh yea - Obama doesn't know.
They haven't "shoved" anything down anyone's throat and have actively sought bipartisanship--completely contradictory to the populist, spoon-fed fascist belief systems of fuckwits like you...Discussion on Healthcare? HA! There has been no discussion - these bills are partisan bills that are being shoved down Americans throats and the latest has a 1.2 Trillion price tag. No body wants this bill. Medicaid is bankrupt - how is bringing in 34 million more people into a govt run healthcare system program going to save it?
I think that's the plan, dummy. My, how you love the "dicksucking" insults. But more than a couple in the row are just creepy and point to a personal mania...Iraq - Dicksucker PLEASE. Iraq is stable - lets get most of the troops out and focus on Afghanistan
I didn't post that to you...What Obama should do (that he hasn't done):
He has, and all that was part of the "stimulus." BTW, if tax breaks inherently "create jobs," then why did we fail under the Bush admin?* Give tax breaks for Small Businesses - that would create jobs.
Because we spend now about double the defense budget on health care, and relative few are "happy" with their coverage. Why would you just overhaul Medicaid when Medicaid really isn't the key problem? Insurance companies raising rates far in excess of inflation are!!* Overhaul Medicaid not the entire health care system. Why do we need to change the lives of everybody is already happy with their healthcare?
You mean that doctors should be incompetent with relative impunity?* Tort Reform and prevent frivolous lawsuits - this would bring health care costs way down and prevent Dr's from performing unnecessary tests.
Why not spread that across the board and prevent all lawsuits --like wrongful death ones?
"Support the troops" as relative to what? What do you mean? And he no more "handpicked" a general than any other commander/president has sent to a combat zone. And what do YOU think about McCrystal's opinion?* Support the troops in Afghanistan - this was the War that he handpicked a General to oversee and now he doesn't listen to him.
Should we send 40,000 more US troops and remain indefinitely?
And let the economy slump into a long term depression?* Stop the spending and bailing out failed Companies and banksComment
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