House Passes Heathcare Bill

[Big Train]

The only problem with US Healthcare is cost really, or "access" as the Dems call it (softer language than cost, implies it's a paperwork error). The Dem plan calls for us all to unite to create bargaining power, as if that has no possibility of not fully working.

Many people (i.e. angry teabaggers) want to explore other options to control costs and really want answers about why it costs so much and is spiraling upward. They want those responses from both parties.

The rush, the "once in a generation chance" bs being peddled is what is causing the anger. The whole thing feels at best half baked. Jailtime for non-compliance being one of the not really thought out well ideas as an example.

[hideyoursheep]

Agreed about cash, it does work wonders if you can work deals out.

Too bad it's not realistic.

[hideyoursheep]

Jailtime for non-compliance being one of the not really thought out well ideas as an example.

Al Capone would agree with you.

[sadaist]

The Senate is basically going to completely change this version. And it most likely will not pass. Why is this being reported as some HUGE victory for Nancy Pelosi? She barely squeaked by a crappy bill, that will be re-written and still fail. I don't understand how that's a win.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I don't know. How many of those 50 million are illegally here in the US?

That's a valid point, so I'll go in that direction for a second...

You're not seriously telling me that the "real" number of uninsured and legal Americans without healthcare is nowhere near 50 million, are you ??

Let's say for shits and giggles that 20% of those are illegal aliens....

So we're now down to 40 million.... Or hell, let's say it's "only" 20 million....

The original question remains, does it not ?? Do the Republicans care at all to provide healthcare to those who don't have it ??

But the thing that makes me shake my head on this question is that a helluva lot of people that are WITHOUT healthcare, specifically the low-income folks in the South, are the SAME people that vote Republican their entire lives...

I saw it for myself in the boonies of Western Virginia in July... Thousands of people lining up for a free healthcare fair... Pretty obvious most of those people would not be Democratic party supporters....

BTW, I agree with the stipulation not to provide "healthcare" for illegal aliens, although that merely makes them go to emergency rooms, where they can't be denied....

[thome]

I NEED a doctor about every 15 years and I mean need due to some broke foot or stitches just average accident stuff.

Hypercondriacts(sp) and habitual com-plainers crybabys med heads who get attention from thier family by bieng constantly medicated.

And the cronically ill are going to rape this system blind.

There is free health care on every corner of every city in america.

It is called the free health clinic.

I could care less about this bill or any of the people who find it interesting.

We, as a nation, evidently ,cannot stop anything our goverment wants to do.

Just remember they have -OUR- best interests in thier hands, that are in our pockets.

[Big Train]

The original question remains, does it not ?? Do the Republicans care at all to provide healthcare to those who don't have it ??

BTW, I agree with the stipulation not to provide "healthcare" for illegal aliens, although that merely makes them go to emergency rooms, where they can't be denied....

If you can solve the cost issue via other means, you are improving "access". Lower cost means inherently that more people (via employment or purchase) would be able to "access" healthcare. Those who can't afford it, still would have government assistance and the emergency room. That's not the scenario everyone is touting, the panacea of government intervention, but it is realistic.

If we offer healthcare to everyone regardless of status, do you think that will improve or lessen he effect of illegal immigration?

[Seshmeister]

I NEED a doctor about every 15 years and I mean need due to some broke foot or stitches just average accident stuff.

Hypercondriacts(sp) and habitual com-plainers crybabys med heads who get attention from thier family by bieng constantly medicated.

And the cronically ill are going to rape this system blind.

So the problem with universal health care is that sick people end up get treated?

The other argument is the terrible worry that at some point an immigrant might get treatment.

Incredible stuff from the richest, 'most christian' country in the world.

And some people wonder why the atheists mock...

I was going to give the example of public schools. How many republicans are against having public schools? I don't see why schools should be different from health care but then I see the spelling in your post...

[thome]

So the problem with universal health care is that sick people end up get treated?

The other argument is the terrible worry that at some point an immigrant might get treatment.

Incredible stuff from the richest, 'most christian' country in the world.

And some people wonder why the atheists mock...

I was going to give the example of public schools. How many republicans are against having public schools? I don't see why schools should be different from health care but then I see the spelling in your post...

There is no problem with anything as far as I am concerned, but after a few years of seeing how the government runs things...

How they forcebly bankrupt the country ever 20 years or so as to not show a profit because if they did they could pay us in interest and taxes would become a thing of the past.

You and the others around here at -The Front- keep thinking small minded and leave the big thinking/comments up to me.

Get with the program and get your head right.

FIGHT THE POWER!

[FORD]

The bill has been officially named "The Monica Lewinsky Memorial Corporate Fellation Act of 2009".

Sponsored by United Health Care, Cigna, Blue Cross, and the DLC.

[Big Train]

Time to vote them out?

Time for a SERIOUS third party?

[standin]

There is no problem with anything as far as I am concerned, but after a few years of seeing how the government runs things...

How they forcebly bankrupt the country ever 20 years or so as to not show a profit because if they did they could pay us in interest and taxes would become a thing of the past.

You and the others around here at -The Front- keep thinking small minded and leave the big thinking/comments up to me.

Get with the program and get your head right.

FIGHT THE POWER!

[Big Troubles]

So the problem with universal health care is that sick people end up get treated?

the problem with a Country trying to build a Universal "perfect or with minimum flaws" Health Care Plan is the fear of the worst case scenario.

America cant afford to look like they are collapsing let alone the actual collapse financially.

[Big Troubles]

I think once soldiers are brought home and conflict becomes a minimum threat, the US cant stop pumping billions into an offensive military and start feeding it like it were a defensive military.

the difference is still billions and people cant be fed, schooled and have health care providers.

[FORD]

I think once soldiers are brought home and conflict becomes a minimum threat, the US cant stop pumping billions into an offensive military and start feeding it like it were a defensive military.

We tried that in the 1990's. Yeah, there was that Bosnia thing, but aside from that.... fairly peaceful.

The military industrial complex couldn't stand it. And the BCE & PNAC crew made so much money off the "defense" industry that they actually considered PEACE the worst threat imaginable.

That's why they stole the election. That's why they turned a blind eye/assisted/outright executed the operations of 9-11-01 (depending on whatever theory you believe, the ultimate responsibility comes back to the BCE). And that's why they made damn sure that Iraq and Afghanistan were associated with that. Even though neither country actually had ANY connection (apart from Al Qaeda's distant past in Afghanistan under Poppy's CIA)

Eisenhower (ironically the first BCE president) warned us about these fucks. JFK was murdered by them. And yet all these years later, it seems we haven't learned a goddamned thing.