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  • Hardrock69
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    • Feb 2005
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    Lord Christopher Monckton, a former UK Science Advisor said in an interview I saw last night that the average temperature of the entire EARTH has actually decreased every year for the past 8 years.

    He says that this global-warming crap is a large scam with the intent to make money, and control where people live, what kind of cars people drive, etc.

    One thing is for certain......the business of large corporations buying and selling Carbon Credits is a MULTI-TRILLION-DOLLAR per year industry.

    One thing everyone seems to ignore is the possibility that any 'global warming' is caused by THE SUN, and not human beings.

    If the global warming trend is true, it would not be the first time the earth has gotten warmer.

    Are these idiots going to claim that when the earth warmed up, oh...about 10 million years ago, that humans were the cause? Even though humans did not even exist back then?


    Finally, there is a guy named Ben Santer. He made significant changes to a Gobal Climate report issued in the mid-90s AFTER the report was published....changes which minimized or deleted statements made by the actual scientists involved in providing data for the report which clearly indicated there was no proof climate changes on earth during the preceding 100 years were caused by humans.

    In short, in the final approved draft, there were FIVE different places where the contributing scientists said "There is NO DISCERNABLE HUMAN EFFECT ON GLOBAL TEMPERATURE". Dr. Santers RE-WROTE the draft AFTER it had been approved in it's FINAL form, and either deleted or minimized the statements made by authors of the report.

    Below is the link where emails from the Dr. to critics (and emails from critics to him) can be read in there entirety. Note that the emails in question were sent in Spring/Summer of 1996, so this has already been going on for well over 13 years. I have quoted a couple of paragraphs about this particular subject below:

    E-mail Correspondence between Singer and Santer

    The key document outlining the scientific backing for global climate change has been rewritten without proper authority, according to the Global Climate Coalition, a group of U.S. businesses opposing immediate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

    The changes were made in Chapter 8 of the Second Assessment Report on climate change being prepared by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). That report is scheduled for publication soon. Copies of the draft chapter, approved by participating governments, including the United States, at the IPCC's plenary meeting in Rome last December, and the final copy of the chapter, Detection of Climate Change and Attribution of Causes, were given to The Energy Daily by the coalition.

    In an accompanying analysis, the coalition argues that the changes "cause the chapter to understate the uncertainties about climate change causes and effects that were clearly evident in the original report and to increase the apparent scientific support for attribution of changes in climate to human activities."

    For example, on the question of when it will be possible to link human activities conclusively to climate change, the approved draft reads:

    "Finally, we come to the most difficult question of all: `When will the detection and unambiguous attribution of human-induced climate change occur?' In the light of the very large signal and noise uncertainties discussed in this chapter, it is not surprising that the best answer to this question is, `We do not know.' "

    That stark admission has been deleted from the revised chapters which soft-pedals the uncertainties. "Finally, we come to the difficult question of when the detection and attribution of human-induced climate change is likely to occur. The answer to this question must be subjective, particularly in the light of the large signal and noise uncertainties discussed in this chapter."

    Perhaps most damning, the summary of the draft has been revised significantly. For starters, it no longer appears at the end of the chapter, but at the beginning. But it is not just the placement that has been changed; the content also has been modified substantially. In the initial summary, the authors wrote that while changes in global-mean, annually averaged temperatures observed during the past century are unlikely to be due entirely to natural causes, "this explanation cannot be ruled out completely."

    The draft summary also pointed out that attributing changes in global temperature to emissions from human activities remains problematic.

    "A major difficulty with such studies is in associating cause and effect with a high degree of confidence."

    "Attribution of an observed climate change to a particular mechanism can be established only by testing competing hypotheses. Thus, unique attribution of a `significant' observed change requires specifying the signals of all likely alternative explanations, and statistical determination that none of these mechanisms is a satisfactory explanation for the observed change. This is a difficult task, and one that detection studies to date have not addressed in a rigorous statistical way."

    The draft then noted that "Pattern-based detection studies are probably of greater relevance for the attribution issue than studies of global-mean change.... Detection of a significant change...in a pattern-based study would give some scientists more confidence in the attribution of observed changes to a specific cause or causes, even without rigorous statistical testing of alternative explanations."

    However, the draft continued, "While some of the pattern-based studies discussed here have claimed detection of a significant climate change, no study to date has positively attributed all or part of that change to anthropogenic causes. Nor has any study quantified the magnitude of a greenhouse-gas effect or aerosol effect in the observed data - an issue that is of primary relevance to policymakers."

    The revised chapter reads much differently, with the summary concluding:

    "Viewed as a whole, these results indicate that the observed trend in global mean temperature over the past 100 years is unlikely to be entirely natural in origin. More importantly, there is evidence of an emerging pattern of climate response to forcing by greenhouse gases and sulphate aerosols in the observed climate record. This evidence comes from the geographical, seasonal and vertical patterns of temperature change. Taken together, these result points towards a human influence on global climate."

    The only remaining uncertainty, the revised chapter contends, is the magnitude of the change. These revisions have the energy community hopping mad, with the climate coalition arguing in a lengthy memo that the credibility of the entire IPCC process - crucial to any future policy directives - is at stake.

    As I pointed out in my previous post, it is a good thing for us to begin using clean energy and to reduce and then end our dependence on other countries for our energy needs.

    Not only that, our economy in general will benefit when the public switches to clean energy sources.

    For example, those companies who manufacture solar cells and solar panels will see strong sales, will continue to expand production of solar panels, will create new jobs that will employ many, will increase tax revenue to the government, which will increase our government's fiscal stability and health.

    At the same time, those people who buy solar panels and install them, will see their energy bills reduced drastically, and those who install enough solar panels to create a surplus of energy, will be able to sell that energy back to their local electric company for a profit.

    This will increase the amount of money individuals will get to keep in their own pockets, which they can then spend as they see fit, which will only strengthen our economy.

    Even so, I am beginning to see this is one large scam, with AL GORE as it's pitchman.

    Some parts of this movement WILL benefit us. But as usual, the large corporations and governments who are in an endless cycle of sucking each other's cock while ass-raping consumers are poised to make more money than they ever dreamed of, while strengthening and increasing their power-base on the world stage.

    Next!

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    • Hardrock69
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      • Feb 2005
      • 21897

      Originally posted by ELVIS
      Keep thinking that dude...

      Have you ever been in an area of this country such as the outskirts of Seattle where they raise trees ??

      They rotate crops, they keep it clean to an unbelievable level and its beautiful...

      Keep believing the lies...

      Here is where they 'raise trees'.

      This photo was taken by yours truly in May of this year when I flew to Seattle. Note the checkerboard pattern. I took this when we were only about 15 minutes from SeaTac airport.

      It is quite obvious where the lumber companies have clear cut the forest.
      Once the trees in the clear cut areas have grown, in say 20 years or so, they will cut down the areas which currently are forested in that region.
      Last edited by Hardrock69; 12-17-2009, 04:12 PM.

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      • Hardrock69
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        • Feb 2005
        • 21897

        Now the Russians are weighing in on ClimateGate.

        THEY SAY THE DATA WAS MANIPULATED

        Climategate goes SERIAL: now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming – Telegraph Blogs

        Climategate goes SERIAL: now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming


        By James Delingpole Politics Last updated: December 16th, 2009

        Climategate just got much, much bigger. And all thanks to the Russians who, with perfect timing, dropped this bombshell just as the world’s leaders are gathering in Copenhagen to discuss ways of carbon-taxing us all back to the dark ages.

        Feast your eyes on this news release from Rionovosta, via the Ria Novosti agency, posted on Icecap. (Hat Tip: Richard North)

        A discussion of the November 2009 Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident, referred to by some sources as “Climategate,” continues against the backdrop of the abortive UN Climate Conference in Copenhagen (COP15) discussing alternative agreements to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol that aimed to combat global warming.

        The incident involved an e-mail server used by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich, East England. Unknown persons stole and anonymously disseminated thousands of e-mails and other documents dealing with the global-warming issue made over the course of 13 years.

        Controversy arose after various allegations were made including that climate scientists colluded to withhold scientific evidence and manipulated data to make the case for global warming appear stronger than it is.

        Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.

        The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory. Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country’s territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports. Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.

        The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.

        The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating uninterrupted observations.

        On the whole, climatologists use the incomplete findings of meteorological stations far more often than those providing complete observations.

        IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations.

        The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

        Global-temperature data will have to be modified if similar climate-date procedures have been used from other national data because the calculations used by COP15 analysts, including financial calculations, are based on HadCRUT research.

        What the Russians are suggesting here, in other words, is that the entire global temperature record used by the IPCC to inform world government policy is a crock.

        As Richard North says: This is serial.

        UPDATE: As Steve McIntyre reports at ClimateAudit, it has long been suspected that the CRU had been playing especially fast and loose with Russian – more particularly Siberian – temperature records. Here from March 2004, is an email from Phil Jones to Michael Mann.

        Recently rejected two papers (one for JGR and for GRL) from people saying CRU has it wrong over Siberia. Went to town in both reviews, hopefully successfully. If either appears I will be very surprised, but you never know with GRL.
        Cheers
        Phil

        And here at Watts Up With That is a guest post by Jeff Id of the Air Vent

        And here is what one of the commenters has to say about the way the data has been cherry-picked and skewed for political ends:

        The crux of the argument is that the CRU cherry picked data following the same methods that have been done everywhere else. They ignored data covering 40% of Russia and chose data that showed a warming trend over statistically preferable alternatives when available. They ignored completeness of data, preferred urban data, strongly preferred data from stations that relocated, ignored length of data set.

        One the final page, there is a chart that shows that CRU’s selective use of 25% of the data created 0.64C more warming than simply using all of the raw data would have done. The complete set of data show 1.4C rise since 1860, the CRU set shows 2.06C rise over the same period.

        Not, of course, dear readers that I’m in any way tempted to crow about these latest revelations. After all, so many of my colleagues, junior and senior, have been backing me on this one to the hilt….

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        • Nickdfresh
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          • Oct 2004
          • 49567

          Originally posted by ELVIS
          No!

          Do you actually think that letting the government have total control will make it better ??

          Firstly, the gub'er'ment won't have "total" control, even with a public option, most people would still purchase plans with private insurers. Secondly, in a word--YES! The VA, actually government run, has substantially improved. They're still shaky and uneven at times, but some of the hospitals and health care provided is now world class when properly funded. The VA hospital I used to go to on Buffalo is actually much nicer than the private, "world class" cardiac-unit my mother had surgery in last year...

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          • Nickdfresh
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            • Oct 2004
            • 49567

            Originally posted by Hardrock69
            Lord Christopher Monckton, a former UK Science Advisor said in an interview I saw last night that the average temperature of the entire EARTH has actually decreased every year for the past 8 years....
            People keep regurgitating this retard as some sort of "authority" on Global Warming when he is in fact a charlatan pseudo-scientific asshole that has no training in anything and seems to also believe that asbestos is good for you. His degree is in journalism and he studied English lit. He wasn't a "UK science adviser," he was a minor economic adviser to the Thatcher gov't. I don't know if it is because he's British or editorializes one of their crap papers, but this is like the third time I've had to debunk the same, tired old bullshit about this tool....

            Climate change

            Monckton is critical of the theory of anthropogenic causes for climate change and the stated scope of it, which he regards as a controversy catalysed by "the need of the international left for a new flag to rally round" following the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.[8] He has expressed doubt about the reality of global warming in a number of newspaper articles and papers. He has been described in some quarters as a "former science adviser to British prime minister Margaret Thatcher and a world-renowned scholar."[9] However, his credentials as a commentator on climate change have been questioned by some commentators. James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore note in their book Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming that Monckton has "no training whatsoever in science", and criticise his asserted credentials as "unfounded self-promotion."[10] The Daily Telegraph has described him as "a former economic adviser".[4]

            In two Sunday Telegraph articles published in November 2006, Monckton disputed whether global warming is man-made, suggested that it is unlikely to prove catastrophic, and criticised the science presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)....

            The British writer and environmentalist George Monbiot (see below article) has criticised Monckton's arguments, labelling them "cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific gibberish."[12] In response, Monckton argued that he "got the science right", claiming that Monbiot got "too many facts wrong" and had shown "ignorance of the elementary physics".[13]

            ...

            During the autumn of 2009, Monckton embarked on a tour of North America to campaign against the December 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference. His warning that US President Barack Obama intended to sign a treaty at the conference which would "impose a communist world government on the world" was picked up by numerous commentators on the American right, including Glenn Beck, but was criticised by others. Writing in Salon, Alex Koppelman criticised Monckton's assertions about the conference's framework for negotiation as being "woefully inaccurate. And that's a nice way of putting it." [21][22] The St. Petersburg Times's PolitiFact.com described his assertions as "not only unsupported but preposterous" and awarded him a special rating of "britches on fire".[23] After attending one of Monckton's talks, Ethan Baron of the Canadian newspaper The Province criticised Monckton's assertions as the product of a "whacked-out, far-right ideology, combined with an ego the size of the Antarctic ice sheet."[24]



            This is a dazzling debunking of climate change science. It is also wildly wrong

            Deniers are cock-a-hoop at an aristocrat's claims that global warming is a UN hoax. But the physics is bafflingly bad


            The Guardian, Tuesday 14 November 2006

            For the past nine days my inbox has been filling up with messages labelled "Your scam exposed", "The great fraud unravels" and "How do you feel now, asshole?". They are referring to a new "scientific paper", which proves that the "climate change scare" is a tale "worthier of St John the Divine than of science".

            Published in two parts on consecutive Sundays, it runs to a total of 52 pages, containing graphs, tables and references. To my correspondents, to a good many journalists and to thousands of delighted bloggers, this paper clinches it: climate change is a hoax perpetrated by a leftwing conspiracy coordinated by the United Nations.

            So which was the august journal that published it? Science? Nature? Geophysical Research Letters? Not quite. It was the Sunday Telegraph. In keeping with most of the articles about climate change in that publication, it is a mixture of cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific gibberish. But it has the virtue of being incomprehensible to anyone who is not an atmospheric physicist.

            The author of this "research article" is Christopher Monckton, otherwise known as Viscount Monckton of Brenchley. He has a degree in classics and a diploma in journalism and, as far as I can tell, no further qualifications. But he is confident enough to maintain that - by contrast to all those charlatans and amateurs who wrote the reports produced by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - he is publishing "the truth".

            The warming effects of carbon dioxide, Lord Monckton claims, have been exaggerated, distorted and made up altogether. One example of the outrageous fraud the UN body has committed is the elimination from its temperature graphs of the "medieval warm period", which, he claims, was "real, global and up to 3C warmer than now". He runs two graphs side by side, one of which shows the temperature record over the past 1,000 years as rendered by the UN panel, and the other purporting to show real temperatures over the same period.

            The world was so hot 600 years ago, he maintains, that "there was little ice at the North Pole: a Chinese naval squadron sailed right round the Arctic in 1421 and found none". By contrast the planet is currently much cooler than climate scientists predicted. In 1988, for example, the world's most celebrated climatologist, James Hansen of Nasa, "told the US Congress that temperature would rise 0.3C by the end of the century (it rose 0.1C), and that sea level would rise several feet (no, one inch)".

            Most importantly, "the UN repealed a fundamental physical law", doubling the size of the constant (lambda) in the Stefan-Boltzmann equation. By assigning the wrong value to lambda, the UN's panel has exaggerated the sensitivity of the climate to extra carbon dioxide. Monckton's analysis looks impressive. It is nonsense from start to finish.

            His claims about the Stefan-Boltzmann equation have been addressed by someone who does know what he's talking about, Dr Gavin Schmidt of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. He begins by pointing out that Stefan-Boltzmann is a description of radiation from a "black body" - an idealised planet that absorbs all the electromagnetic radiation that reaches it. The Earth is not a black body. It reflects some of the radiation it receives back into space.

            Schmidt points out that Monckton also forgets, in making his calculations, that "climate sensitivity is an equilibrium concept": in other words that there is a time-lag of several decades between the release of carbon dioxide and the eventual temperature rise it causes. If you don't take this into account, the climate's sensitivity to carbon dioxide looks much smaller. This is about as fundamental a mistake as you can make in climate science.

            What of his other claims? Well, the reason the "medieval warm period" doesn't show up on the UN panel's graphs is simple. As far as climatologists can tell, there wasn't one. So why did the Vikings, as Monckton points out, settle in Greenland?

            As a paper published in Reviews of Geophysics shows, Vikings first arrived in Greenland at the very beginning of the "warm period" Monckton discusses, when temperatures, even according to his graph, were lower than they are today. They did so because life had become too hot for them in their adopted home (Iceland): not climatically, but politically. There does appear to have been a slight warming in some parts of the northern hemisphere. There is no reliable evidence that this was a global phenomenon. As for the Chinese naval squadron sailing round the Arctic, it is pure bunkum - a myth long discredited by serious historians.

            So what of those graphs? Look at them carefully and you see that they are measuring two different things: global temperatures (the UN panel's progression) and European temperatures (Monckton's line). You will also discover that the scales are different.

            As for James Hansen, he did not tell the US Congress that temperatures would rise by 0.3C by the end of the past century. He presented three possible scenarios to the US Senate - high, medium and low. Both the high and low scenarios, he explained, were unlikely to materialise. The middle one was "the most plausible".

            As it happens, the middle scenario was almost exactly right. He did not claim, under any scenario, that sea levels would rise by several feet by 2000. But a climatologist called Patrick Michaels took the graph from Hansen's paper, erased the medium and low scenarios and - in testimony to Congress - presented the high curve as Hansen's prediction for climate change. A memo sent in July from the Intermountain Rural Electric Association, a US company whose power is largely supplied by coal, revealed that Michaels has long been funded by electricity companies. "In February this year, IREA alone contributed $100,000 to Dr Michaels." Michaels, it says, meets periodically with industry representatives to discuss their activities in countering stories about climate change.

            Pat Michaels's misrepresentation of Hansen's claims was picked up by Michael Crichton in his novel State of Fear, and somehow transmuted into an "error" of 300%. Monckton gives no source for his claim about Hansen, but Crichton's novel features in his references. The howlers go on and on. There is scarcely a line in Lord Monckton's paper which is not wildly wrong.

            Yet none of this appears to embarrass the Sunday Telegraph, which championed his findings this week in a leading article. I think I know what the problem is. At a meeting of 150 senior journalists last year, who had gathered to discuss climate change, the chairman asked how many people in the audience had a science degree. Three of us raised our hands. Readers cannot expect a newspaper editor to possess a detailed understanding of atmospheric physics, but there should at least be someone who knows what science looks like whom the editor consults before running a piece.

            A scientific paper is one published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. This means it has been subject to scrutiny by other experts in the field. This doesn't suggest that it's the last word on the subject, but it does mean it is worth discussing. For newspapers such as the Sunday Telegraph the test seems to be much simpler. If they don't understand it, it must be science.


            * guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2009


            George Monbiot: Deniers are cock-a-hoop at an aristocrat's claims that global warming is a UN hoax. But the physics is bafflingly bad.
            Last edited by Nickdfresh; 12-17-2009, 05:15 PM.

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            • Nickdfresh
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              • Oct 2004
              • 49567

              Originally posted by Hardrock69
              Now the Russians are weighing in on ClimateGate.

              THEY SAY THE DATA WAS MANIPULATED
              Imagine that! A gov't whose sole link to their superpower past is their oil and gas industry and whose only real weapon is their energy spigot they provide Europe finds this to be "climategate." No shit!!

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              • ELVIS
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                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                in a word--YES!
                Enjoy...

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                • Nitro Express
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                  • Aug 2004
                  • 32942

                  Originally posted by kwame k
                  Lies? I lived in the Pacific Northwest for years, dude. I've seen the negative and the positive of replanting trees and the timber industry. Here again, had the industry gone on unregulated none of what you said would be happening.

                  The fact is, we don't need to kill as many trees as we do....how many thousands of acres are being forested just for paper products. When using hemp for paper products alone would be; A) using less acreage to produce the same amount of paper products, B) employing more farmers to grow it.

                  I know, I know our current way of farming is environmentally unsound but it would be a start.

                  Regulations here in the States are all fine and dandy but...problem is....there is very little regulation in The Rain Forest.
                  Save the trees and grow hemp. I actually handled a high tech laminate made from hemp. We could build houses from it. You can make clothes from it. They make speaker cones from it.
                  No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                  • Nitro Express
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                    • Aug 2004
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                    Big oil is actually behind the Global Warming movement. We could flank them using modern technology but they have the politicians in their pockets and they want oil scarce and to tax us for using too much of it. They make more money that way. Meanwhile new energy technologies don't get funding and the inventors are bullied and killed.
                    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                    • Nitro Express
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32942

                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      Imagine that! A gov't whose sole link to their superpower past is their oil and gas industry and whose only real weapon is their energy spigot they provide Europe finds this to be "climategate." No shit!!
                      Putin is flipping the Rothchilds the middle finger after he booted them out of Russia. He knows it's shitty legislation that will only put more of the world's money into their big fat pockets. The same people behind global warming are buying up Brazil and clear cutting the forests there for agriculture. Do some research.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • ELVIS
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                        • Dec 2003
                        • 44120

                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        Big oil is actually behind the Global Warming movement.
                        Gee...you think so ??

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                        • ELVIS
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                          • Dec 2003
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                          Originally posted by Nitro Express
                          He knows it's shitty legislation that will only put more of the world's money into their big fat pockets.
                          It's not about money. If it was they would stop at some point...

                          It's about population control, eugenics, if you will...

                          There are people in control that have all the money possible and yet, they still want to control everyone and everything!

                          Can anyone see that ??

                          I can...


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                          • Nitro Express
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                            I have a feeling while the politicians and corporate leaders are busy sucking each other's cocks the citizens who have had enough will decapitate both of them and feed the corpses to the hogs.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • ELVIS
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                              • Dec 2003
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                              That's why they are pushing to ban all firearms...

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                              • Nitro Express
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                                • Aug 2004
                                • 32942

                                Originally posted by ELVIS
                                It's not about money. If it was they would stop at some point...

                                It's about population control, eugenics, if you will...

                                There are people in control that have all the money possible and yet, they still want to control everyone and everything!

                                Can anyone see that ??

                                I can...


                                The elite print the money so you are right. To them that's just one of their scams. They want to reduce the world population to a few hundred million people and let most of the earth go back to being wild. It's nothing new. The elite have had such plans for over 100 years. It's their dream. They own most the world's assets and think they are God. Most of the horrble stuff that happened in the 20th Century were all part of this plan. Communism, Fascism, World Wars, Depressions, Income Tax, Central Banks ect...

                                They hoped to get it done with Hitler and Stalin but that didn't work. This won't either. They will fail again.
                                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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