30 Years of Global Cooling Are Coming, Retarded pseudo-Journalists Say

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  • Fuct Jup
    Head Fluffer
    • Nov 2006
    • 236

    30 Years of Global Cooling Are Coming, Retarded pseudo-Journalists Say

    From Miami to Maine, Savannah to Seattle, America is caught in an icy grip that one of the U.N.'s top global warming proponents says could mark the beginning of a mini ice age.

    Oranges are freezing and millions of tropical fish are dying in Florida, and it could be just the beginning of a decades-long deep freeze, says Professor Mojib Latif, one of the world's leading climate modelers.

    Latif thinks the cold snap Americans have been suffering through is only the beginning. He says we're in for 30 years of cooler temperatures -- a mini ice age, he calls it, basing his theory on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the world's oceans.

    Latif, a professor at the Leibniz Institute at Germany's Kiel University and an author of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, believes the lengthy cold weather is merely a pause -- a 30-years-long blip -- in the larger cycle of global warming, which postulates that temperatures will rise rapidly over the coming years.

    At a U.N. conference in September, Latif said that changes in ocean currents known as the North Atlantic Oscillation could dominate over manmade global warming for the next few decades. Latif said the fluctuations in these currents could also be responsible for much of the rise in global temperatures seen over the past 30 years.

    Latif is a key member of the UN's climate research arm, which has long promoted the concept of global warming. He told the Daily Mail that "a significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles -- perhaps as much as 50 percent."

    According to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado, the warming of the Earth since 1900 is due to natural oceanic cycles, and not man-made greenhouse gases. The agency also reports that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007.

    Many parts of the world have been suffering through record-setting snowfalls and arctic temperatures. The Midwest saw wind chills as low as 49 degrees below zero last week, while Europe saw snows so heavy that Eurostar train service and air travel were canceled across much of the continent. In Asia, Beijing was hit by its heaviest snowfall in 60 years.

    FOXNews.com - 30 Years of Global Cooling Are Coming, Leading Scientist Says

    DAVID ROSE: The mini ice age starts here | Mail Online
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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32942

    #2
    So we are back to where we were in the 1970's. Why do we give these people the time of day. They are manic. Scientists are wrong more than they are right. If you have seven scientists you have seven opinions. Now watch the fear mongers try and profit off of global cooling. Looks like we traded Heat Miser for Snow Miser.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32942

      #3
      We were snowed in the hotel in Detroit for five days due to the blizzard of 78. If that happened now people would blow it out like it was the end of the world. You would hear the talking heads yaking constantly about it bringing in every pin head they can find to overanalyze it.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • Fuct Jup
        Head Fluffer
        • Nov 2006
        • 236

        #4
        Originally posted by Nitro Express
        So we are back to where we were in the 1970's. Why do we give these people the time of day. They are manic. Scientists are wrong more than they are right. If you have seven scientists you have seven opinions. Now watch the fear mongers try and profit off of global cooling. Looks like we traded Heat Miser for Snow Miser.
        Aint it great?

        Anything left in that bottle?

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35754

          #5
          Originally posted by Nitro Express
          So we are back to where we were in the 1970's. Why do we give these people the time of day. They are manic. Scientists are wrong more than they are right.
          If that was true it seems pretty unlikely you would be able to type crap into a screen for nothing and it could be instantly read all around the world.

          I don't know why they give you or Fox Non News the time of day.

          The guy has repeatedly explained his position and it has been deliberately or stupidly misreported and misunderstood again and again.

          Leading climate scientist challenges Mail on Sunday's use of his research | Environment | guardian.co.uk

          Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he "cannot understand" reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on climate change.

          He told the Guardian: "It comes as a surprise to me that people would try to use my statements to try to dispute the nature of global warming. I believe in manmade global warming. I have said that if my name was not Mojib Latif it would be global warming."

          He added: "There is no doubt within the scientific community that we are affecting the climate, that the climate is changing and responding to our emissions of greenhouse gases."
          It gets tiresome reading the same nonsense month after month.

          His arguments and findings are outlined at the linked site but what's the point you won't accept it anyway. You would rather believe the Fox News Big Business distortion of what the guy is saying.
          Last edited by Seshmeister; 01-11-2010, 06:22 PM.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49567

            #6
            Thread title changed, because I'm sick of these completely disingenuous articles being routinely posted --even though the posters know they're repeating the same old stale bullshit that has been disproved or discredited dozens of times...

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            • Blackflag
              Banned
              • Apr 2006
              • 3406

              #7
              Originally posted by Nitro Express
              Scientists are wrong more than they are right.
              The whole problem is - these hacks aren't "scientists" at all, on either side of the discussion.

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32942

                #8
                Originally posted by Blackflag
                The whole problem is - these hacks aren't "scientists" at all, on either side of the discussion.
                The global warming thing was put together in the UN decades ago. This whole cap and trade thing with the selling of carbon credits is bunk. What's causing the warming is our current location relative to the galactic equator and the sun. All the planets in the solar system have warmed up. The Russians have done a lot of research on this. The guy behind the global warming push in the UN ran off to Bejing because he got caught being involved in the food for oil scandal.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • Fuct Jup
                  Head Fluffer
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 236

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  Thread title changed, because I'm sick of these completely disingenuous articles being routinely posted --even though the posters know they're repeating the same old stale bullshit that has been disproved or discredited dozens of times...
                  Yea - Because RECORD cold weather is has been discredited....

                  Record chill eases over South
                  National Weather Forecast - weather.com

                  Year off to coldest start since 1940
                  Year off to coldest start since 1940 - al.com

                  Cold snap death toll rises across Europe
                  Cold snap death toll rises across Europe - The Irish Times - Fri, Jan 08, 2010

                  Cold weather freezes thousands of fish in OS Harbor
                  Cold weather freezes thousands of fish in OS Harbor - WLOX-TV and WLOX.com - Building South Mississippi Together |

                  Weather-related death toll rises to 22 as Britain braces for coldest night yet
                  The latest breaking UK, US, world, business and sport news from The Times and The Sunday Times. Go beyond today's headlines with in-depth analysis and comment.


                  Ice delays morning flights at Tampa
                  Ice delays morning flights at TIA - Bay News 9

                  Wind chill may drop below zero as coldest weather in 12 years hits North Texas
                  Bitter Cold Is Just Beginning | NBC Dallas-Fort Worth

                  Midwest bracing for heavy snow, wind chills of -50
                  Midwest bracing for heavy snow, wind chills of -50 - Yahoo! News

                  Cold grips much of US, Fla. races to save crops
                  WSVN-TV - Cold grips much of US, Fla. races to save crops

                  This Winter May Be Worst Since 1985
                  AccuWeather.com - Weather Blogs - Weather News

                  Florida: Rare Snow, Sleet...
                  AccuWeather.com - Weather Blogs - Weather News
                  Anything left in that bottle?

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                  • Kristy
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 16741

                    #10
                    I'm really beginning to believe that the whole global warming/cooling argument is nothing more than one big profit margin for scientist who have more or less stop worrying about the state of the planet and starting putting their grant money into hedge funds and CD accounts. The news to this latest cold snap has been more than reactionary, most of it brought on by deaths which brings every conspiratorial nutcase out of the woodwork blaming the other side for the current events.

                    To me, it's no different from the marijuana arguments on who is actually doing the research and who is funding it. If you have a anti-drug group manipulating the government saying marijuana is evil then of course the scientist who do the "research" are without a doubt going to find a lot of discrepancies with marijuana. If you have a pro-marijuana group hiring scientist to do the same research of course they going to find all the benefits of marijuana. I'm cynical enough to believe it's the same scientist delivering different data to their clients as long as they are being paid.

                    So now you have a fresh set of downs with this brutal winter in many parts of the world claiming that we will experience another ice age on the horizon while others continue to claim the polar caps are still shrinking faster than a George Costanza penis after swimming. In the meantime, those we trust to do the research of what is really causing such dramatic shifts in the earth's climate can't say for sure - but this doesn't stop them from taking on more and more grant money.

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                    • Blackflag
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 3406

                      #11
                      Hey, I think Kristy finally realized that money talks and bullshit walks. How old are you again?

                      At least she's not "Head Fluffer" any more.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49567

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fuct Jup
                        Yea - Because RECORD cold weather is has been discredited....

                        ...
                        So "discredited," that you have to post intentionally misleading lies in "news" stories. Yeah, got'cha, idiot...

                        BTW, keep posting the retarded "it's cold outside, Global Climate Change can't be real" idiocy. Because, I can post pictures of any scene which would mean the earth is flat, because the ground surely looks flat! So the earth being a globe must be a conspiracy!

                        You can go back to lighting your farts on fire now...

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                        • Fuct Jup
                          Head Fluffer
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 236

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          So "discredited," that you have to post intentionally misleading lies in "news" stories. Yeah, got'cha, idiot...
                          Show me what's misleading about record temps.

                          How can there be global warming if its record cold outside? Still worried about those sea levels rising?
                          Last edited by Fuct Jup; 01-13-2010, 10:56 AM.
                          Anything left in that bottle?

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                          • Fuct Jup
                            Head Fluffer
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 236

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            So "discredited," that you have to post intentionally misleading lies in "news" stories. Yeah, got'cha, idiot...
                            For years now, we have been told that science is dedicatedly attempting to find out how the Earth’s Climate works. With all possible seriousness, the most publically vocal of these scientists, those working for the UN’s IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), have for the last several years blamed the warming they “found” on Carbon Dioxide. With the release of the CRU (Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia) email database, it is very clearly apparent that the scientists involved with the IPCC were doctoring data to give a specific result. That result was designed to look as if CO2was causing climate change, warming the earth due to Human activities. It can be reported now that this theory has been solidly disproven by Dr. Ferenc Miskolczi and Dr. Miskolczi’s work will make history.

                            Constants

                            To give context to this discovery, a short lesson in science is needed. The term “Constant” is very well known in science. Simply put it is a part of an equation (An equation is merely a mathematical sentence, the Variables are the words) that does not change; they are specific and represent solid concepts. You may have heard of Bohr’s Constant, Hubble ’s Constant, Avogadro’s Constant, there are many of them. There is a new Constant; one that has not been named, but if history is any guide it will be called the Miskolczi Constant, named for the physicist who discovered it.

                            A Constant we are all familiar with is the speed of light. Before Einstein and his famous theory of Relativity E=MC2, it was widely believed there was no limit on speed, just throw a rock from a speeding train and the speed will continue to add up. Einstein and his theory of Special Relativity put a specific limit on speed - the speed of light, beyond which nothing could go. There is a strict energetic limit, and we have recognized that for decades now. Before Miskolczi, it was generally thought that the greenhouse effect could be increased infinitely by adding more and more CO2 molecules into the air. Under the conditions prevailing on Earth, Miskolczi has proved that there is a limit to the greenhouse temperature that cannot be raised. Why is that? The IPCC has been telling us the exact opposite for years. Simple, because just as with Einstein’s E=MC2, there is a strict energetic limit as the Miskolczi Law proves.

                            Dr. Miskolczi’s Constant was discovered with a program that is the result of a project started 25 years ago in Hungary. It was then he began the process of writing a high-resolution radiative transfer program which would describe the Earth’s climate using the TIGR Global radiosonde archive of the Laboratoire de Meteorologie Dynamique, Paris database. With this information he was able to accurately describe mathematically how the atmosphere absorbs and releases heat using a long standing Equation called the Schwarzschild-Milne transfer equation to accurately calculate the Earths infrared optical depth. That is what Global climate is; the process by which Earth either holds onto or releases heat. The IPCC and the CRU scientists would have us believe that CO2 increases the heat the atmosphere holds on an infinite unlimited basis. That conclusion is absolutely false, and the CRU and the IPCC have had to falsify and invent data to make it appear that it does.

                            In reality water is so overwhelming abundant on Earth, it dominatingly, completely, and overwhelmingly governs the climate equilibrium of the Earth. It is 71% of the total surface area of the planet, 333 Million cubic miles (a cubic mile is an imaginary cube measuring one mile on each side) of water exist here, by far outweighing all other greenhouse gasses.

                            Can our climate undergo changes due to the addition of greenhouse gasses? Yes, but only under circumstances great enough to overwhelm the presence of 333 million Cubic miles of water, such as the impact of a large Asteroid and the tremendous heat it would add instantly. Carbon Dioxide is very far inside the greenhouse effect’s self-regulatory barriers. Amounts even double our current emissions, cannot overwhelm this equilibrium. Only the Sun has that immense amount of power, and only water exists in quantities large enough to effect such a change. As long as the sun’s activity is the “business-as-usual” fluctuations and there is water on Earth, CO2 cannot cause or increase global warming.

                            Equilibrium

                            In order to correctly understand why this is, it is necessary to recognize that what is important here is the equilibrium between the incoming energy from the sun (heating) and the outgoing longwave (infra red) energy (cooling). The 40% of the planet that is not cloud covered at any given time allows for solar radiation to be absorbed at the surface. The most effective form of cooling is the evaporation of water, which takes heat energy from the surface and puts it into the air. Clouds form which do three things: 1) create more cloud cover reflecting solar radiation away from the planet which also 2) releases heat into the very high upper atmosphere where it too is radiated out into space as the clouds condense into precipitation, and 3) drops much cooler water back down to the surface cooling things even further. This is an oversimplification for the sake of brevity and clarity, the interactions here are very complex as is the equation which describes it (the detailed mathematics can be found below in "The Saturated Greenhouse Effect Theory of Ferenc Miskolczi"). However, this does not change the simple fact that our planetary climate system is at equilibrium, and the Miskolczi Constant allows science to completely describe that equilibrium. For the first time, we can do so accurately with raw data, and match observed data with the results. No “hide the decline” needed when simply describing reality.

                            Hungarian Physicist Dr. Ferenc Miskolczi proves CO2 emissions irrelevant in Earth?s Climate
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                            • Fuct Jup
                              Head Fluffer
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 236

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nickdfresh

                              You can go back to lighting your farts on fire now...
                              you want me to add to the warming? I can't do that, the warming alarmists will tax my ass for sure.
                              Last edited by Fuct Jup; 01-13-2010, 10:55 AM.
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