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  • Kristy
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 16749

    Google To Suspend Service To China

    No human rights, no porn searches for you.

    Google to stop censoring in China after cyber attacks
  • sadaist
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jul 2004
    • 11625

    #2
    Originally posted by Kristy
    No human rights, no porn searches for you.

    Google to stop censoring in China after cyber attacks


    I think it's great that China is protecting it's people from the evils of the Internet. Hopefully the US will soon follow and protect us with our health, mortgage, business, car, groceries, smoking, drinking, obesity, etc...

    “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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    • standin
      Veteran
      • Apr 2009
      • 2274

      #3
      Oh googles just stupid.
      Google is bitching about a cyber hack?
      Please, can we have a scape goat sacrifice in the cutting room.
      China is one of the top countries getting tough on cyber crime.
      Google must have hacked the account and does not want to give up the data.
      Probably some poor fuck that got hacked for general espionage, reported it to China authorities. The hacked was not under that particular surveillance at the time from China.
      China authorities pressed the investigation as an information troll tool.
      Google got caught with pants down.
      Look at google's wiener wamp.
      And red faced explanation.
      End of story.
      To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
      MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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      • GAR
        Banned
        • Jan 2004
        • 10881

        #4
        The Helen Keller of the board has spoken, and now gives the floor up for additional commentary..

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        • hideyoursheep
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2007
          • 6351

          #5
          Ever tried to visit a Chinese website?

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          • sadaist
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Jul 2004
            • 11625

            #6
            Why do so many Americans act appalled at how the Chinese government restricts access to certain websites, all the while supporting the US government restricting access to certain things? (ie trans fats)

            It's just a case of the government controlling the masses under the guise of "protecting" them from themselves.

            The only real difference is that most things the US government wants to restrict us from, they allow us to have it but with extreme fees attached. You wanna do something they don't want you to do, you're gonna pay. What's the current going rate for a pack of Marlboro's in NYC? And if you have enough to buy a pack, where the hell you gonna smoke them?
            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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            • standin
              Veteran
              • Apr 2009
              • 2274

              #7
              Originally posted by hideyoursheep
              Ever tried to visit a Chinese website?
              No, I do not read Chiense. I lean closer toward Russian.

              "They" do visit us. China portals are often used in the spam drones.

              But on a side note:


              Cybercrime: Uncovered
              Take the RBN. It is thought to be behind as much as half of every incident of "phishing" worldwide. It first came to the attention of security experts 18 months ago. Acting as an internet service provider, it soon began allowing criminals to host illegal websites, arguing that its own activities were not illegal; it was just the people using its services that were breaking the law.

              The organisation does not communicate with its potential users through conventional means. Instead, it posts advertisements on underground bulletin boards. According to SecureWorks, an Atlanta-based security company, those who want to buy its services can also contact its operators through instant-messaging services. Potential customers also must prove they are not law enforcement officers, sometimes by proving they were involved in criminal activity.

              Vitaliy Kamlyuk, a virus analyst at Russian computer security firm Kaspersky, has been following RBN's activities. Since October, something strange has been happening: one by one, the websites linked to the organisation have closed down. But its modus operandi has been spotted across the Far East. RBN is not shutting down, it's diversifying. "We suppose that the organisation has been planning this for a long time," Kamlyuk says, "but the attention it has gained has speeded up its activity. We believe they had connections with Chinese servers; and criminals trying to hide often go to Malaysia, China, Korea or Japan."
              China jails Trojan virus authors in cybercrime crackdown - Network World
              A Chinese court Wednesday sentenced 11 members of a malware ring for writing and distributing Trojan horse viruses meant to steal online game account passwords, according to state media.

              The people, who stole login information for more than 5 million game accounts, were given prison sentences of up to three years and were fined a total of 830,000 Chinese yuan (US$120,000), China's Xinhua news agency said. Dozens of other members of the ring, which is suspected of 30 million yuan ($4.4 million) in crime, are expected to be sentenced soon, Xinhua said.

              Should Your Email Live in the Cloud - An Infrastructure and Operations Analysis: Download nowReports of arrests and court sentences for cybercriminals have become increasingly common in China after the country has strengthened its laws governing the activity. The government action has come in response to increasing signs of organization among cybercriminals, including division of the labor needed to design, distribute and profit from information-stealing malware.

              The huge popularity of online games in China has helped fuel the growth in cybercrime. Attackers often loot virtual equipment such as gold coins, weapons and armor from stolen game accounts and sell the items to other players for physical cash.

              Stopping Chinese Cybercrime
              Stopping Chinese Cybercrime
              ScienceDaily (May 11, 2009) — China has made significant progress in cybercrime legislation but faces increasing challenges to keep pace with the country's exponential growth in internet use, according to a report in current issue of the International Journal of Electronic Security and Digital Forensics.
              To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
              MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49567

                #8
                Originally posted by sadaist
                Why do so many Americans act appalled at how the Chinese government restricts access to certain websites, all the while supporting the US government restricting access to certain things? (ie trans fats)
                Is it the US gov't or state/local ones?

                It's just a case of the government controlling the masses under the guise of "protecting" them from themselves.
                I'm not a big fan of it myself, but some would argue that the gov't is actually protecting society at large from the massive health costs incurred from obesity, lung cancer, second hand smoke, or car accidents. And furthermore, that corporations have long profited by inflicting irresponsible policies and resulting actions that drive up the costs of the overall public dole...

                The only real difference is that most things the US government wants to restrict us from, they allow us to have it but with extreme fees attached. You wanna do something they don't want you to do, you're gonna pay. What's the current going rate for a pack of Marlboro's in NYC? And if you have enough to buy a pack, where the hell you gonna smoke them?
                Again, you're oversimplifying things. Yes, the gov't is trying to social engineer and modify behaviors and they're going overboard instead of educating people to make better personal choice or offering incentives for doing so. But can anyone seriously argue that smokers who knowingly inhale toxins inflict a greater economic burden on my tax-bill and should fuckwell HAVE to shoulder more of that burden?!
                Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-13-2010, 11:55 AM.

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                • standin
                  Veteran
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2274

                  #9
                  Originally posted by chan_bkny
                  So many Americans have a distaste and distrust of people of Chinese descent and of anything Chinese, that's why. And they don't check themselves before criticizing others.

                  Marlboros in NYC are now $8-$9/pack. You may smoke'em outdoors, but some buildings ask that you not smoke within X number of feet from the buildings.
                  Please Chan,
                  Spare us the I am a redhead so many believe the myth that redheads are devil's spawn chant.
                  Every race is mistrusted by other races to an extent. Every country is mistrusted by other countries to an extent. And both are mistrusted exclusively by certain sorts of persons. Throwing the race card lowers the dialog. If you want to discuss the criminology of racism, that is a different corruption than cyber crime.

                  It is about cyber crime, nothing more nothing less.
                  Last edited by standin; 01-13-2010, 11:53 AM.
                  To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                  MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49567

                    #10
                    Originally posted by chan_bkny
                    So many Americans have a distaste and distrust of people of Chinese descent and of anything Chinese, that's why. And they don't check themselves before criticizing others.
                    ...
                    There's a difference between voicing political opinions on a one-party state and making statements based on race. A state that engages in unfair trade practices, sells weapons to genocidal, ethnic cleansing states for oil, heavily pollutes and poisons its own people, and continues to occupy and culturally supplant and marginalize Tibet...

                    I have the right to voice such opinion, as China's emerging global power will soon have greater implications--including the fact that they may one day be able to bully Google into selective censorship everywhere. Not just Mainland China, PRC..
                    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 01-13-2010, 12:02 PM.

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35755

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      I have the right to voice such opinion, as China's emerging global power will soon have greater implications--including the fact that they may one day be able to bully Google into selective censorship everywhere. Not just Mainland China, PRC..
                      I'm more of a happy camper optimist than a lot of the gloomy people around these boards but even I am a bit worried about this.

                      I don't know much about macroeconomics but it seems to me that China may at some point decide to use that huge mountain of cash it is sitting on to buy up all the key businesses in Western economies including the media and technology companies.

                      Then all those people wailing on about their loss of freedoms will see what a loss of freedom really means...

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                      • ZahZoo
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 9172

                        #12
                        I've got similar concerns too Sesh... China isn't a sleeping giant. They're quietly going about some serious business within the financial world, global trade and energy consumption. Easy to control the game when you own most the deck...
                        "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                        • kwame k
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 11302

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                          There's a difference between voicing political opinions on a one-party state and making statements based on race. A state that engages in unfair trade practices, sells weapons to genocidal, ethnic cleansing states for oil, heavily pollutes and poisons its own people, and continues to occupy and culturally supplant and marginalize Tibet...

                          I have the right to voice such opinion, as China's emerging global power will soon have greater implications--including the fact that they may one day be able to bully Google into selective censorship everywhere. Not just Mainland China, PRC..
                          True and that has nothing to do with racism. It's the political and financial leaders that scare the shit out of me. Like we've all been saying, all China would have to do is call in our loans and flex it's financial muscle. We'd be in for a shit storm if they did. I'm not talking about calling in all the money we owe because that would collapse them too. They could manipulate our debt to them and their imports to us in such a way that it would weaken us but not collapse us.

                          We support a Communist Country financially. Has nothing to do with the average oppressed Chinese people. They suffer because of the corrupt regime and we've given them the financial power to do it.
                          Originally posted by vandeleur
                          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                          • sadaist
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 11625

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Again, you're oversimplifying things. Yes, the gov't is trying to social engineer and modify behaviors and they're going overboard instead of educating people to make better personal choice or offering incentives for doing so. But can anyone seriously argue that smokers who knowingly inhale toxins inflict a greater economic burden on my tax-bill and should fuckwell HAVE to shoulder more of that burden?!

                            I know I'm oversimplifying. I didn't want to write a 50 page post. But it just isn't smoking, that was just the first example I thought of while sitting at the computer smoking. There are thousands of examples of small freedoms lost to protect us from ourselves. I don't see it as any different as the Chinese restriction of the Internet.

                            Like with trans fats. I don't think they should be banned anywhere. I do think that if a restaurant uses them, they should have to let people know. If you still want to eat there...enjoy!
                            “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                            • hideyoursheep
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6351

                              #15
                              Originally posted by standin
                              No, I do not read Chiense.
                              You don't spell Chinese, either...:tongue0011:





















                              Originally posted by standin
                              I lean closer toward Russian.
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                              I had my suspicions

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