Get England Out Of Ireland

[binnie]

It is that bad,actually.
I was at an Irish friends house back around the time Jerry Adams was finally allowed to represent the Sinn Féin party in the Irish Parliament. We caught a Jerry Adams press conference on the BBC and they had some English twat interpreting what he was saying (mixed over top of what J.A.'s voice which could be heard in the background like he needed a translator to understand him... )
We listened to the BBC slant and then flipped over to the Irish news channel (on satellite).to actually hear what he had said. The BBC (dub) spin was enough to make you sick. Just pathetic...

What year was that?

It sounds like something that would have happened in the early 90s - the Thatcher/Major govt. banned many Irish politicians from speaking, and they were paraphrased with dubbing, if memory serves (I was only 10 or so at the time...)

Certainly doesn't happen like that any more....

[BITEYOASS]

Your not even from fucking Ireland thome! Why don't you shut the fuck up and avoid subjects that have no relevance to you whatsoever? Because you come across as a total fucking dumb retarded son of a bitch who gets their info from dumb fucking radio talk show hosts! :D

[Seshmeister]

It is that bad,actually.
I was at an Irish friends house back around the time Jerry Adams was finally allowed to represent the Sinn Féin party in the Irish Parliament. We caught a Jerry Adams press conference on the BBC and they had some English twat interpreting what he was saying (mixed over top of what J.A.'s voice which could be heard in the background like he needed a translator to understand him... )
We listened to the BBC slant and then flipped over to the Irish news channel (on satellite).to actually hear what he had said. The BBC (dub) spin was enough to make you sick. Just pathetic...

This is the kind of ignorance that led to people in America paying for bombs to blow up children.

Without going into great detail or opinion I'll just list some facts you are obviously completely unaware of.

1) 'Gerry' Adams has never been a representative of the Irish parliament and has never stood for election to it. I think you are getting mixed up with the fact he is a member of the UK parliament. He was elected as a member of parliament in the early 80s. At that time it was the policy of his party to not attend the UK parliament but he was a member of it until he got beat in an election by the more moderate SDLP in 1992. He got back in again in 1997 and remains a UK MP.

2) The press conference you are talking about would have been during the period from 1988 to 1994 when the government banned politicians from parties who were in favour of violent terrorist acts from being broadcast supposedly to starve them of publicity. 11 organisations of both sides were banned including Sinn Féin. It was a stupid idea and actually increased Adams standing and profile.

Your perception of the BBC coverage is completely and utterly wrong for the simple reason that the BBC fought against this stupid government policy and in order to undermine it had an actor repeat the words said by Adams and others thus getting around the dumb law and making a farce of it. Also every time I ever heard it they used an Irish actor so I think you have misremembered that.

3) Northern Ireland has always been part of a democracy. At any time Northern Ireland could have voted to join the rest of Ireland and this would have happened. The problem is that the majority of the people that live there didn't want to. If the British government had forced them to then the Irish government would have had the exact same problem except reversed whereby protestant terrorists would have been attacking them. Interestingly under freedom of information laws in Ireland you can read how the Irish government was staunchly against a reunification of Ireland in the 70s because it didn't think it could cope.

Why anyone would think that the British government would have been determined to hold onto a fractured expensive nightmare of a situation against the will of the people there that only cost piles of cash, death and misery has always kind of puzzled me. If only it had been that simple.

[thome]

Your not even from fucking Ireland thome! Why don't you shut the fuck up and avoid subjects that have no relevance to you whatsoever? Because you come across as a total fucking dumb retarded son of a bitch who gets their info from dumb fucking radio talk show hosts! :D

You never wanted to know that it was ALLWAYS!

Make believe that you would think that the reason I have.

[LoungeMachine]

You never wanted to know that it was ALLWAYS!

Make believe that you would think that the reason I have.

Ever consider a course in English?



Maybe an online course would be a better use of your time....

[thome]

Ever consider a course in English?



Maybe an online course would be a better use of your time....

Ok, what is your OP ?

Nothing, as I assumed.

[LoungeMachine]

Ok, what is your OP ?

Nothing, as I assumed.

wow.

You slipped out of character there for a moment, Champ...

I'll have an opinion on something of your's when you cease to be a moronic schtick....

[thome]

wow.

You slipped out of character there for a moment, Champ...

I'll have an opinion on something of your's when you cease to be a moronic schtick....

You win > >>>What is your OP..?<<<<

5 bucks sais, you don't have one.

[LoungeMachine]

You win > >>>What is your OP..?<<<<

5 bucks sais, you don't have one.

fail.

again.



Now you can spend the 5 bucks on a 12-pack

[WACF]

If it comes from England expect anything but the truth(when it come to discussing truths about situations in Ireland).
The BBC is no different than FOX News.

Or the CBC...

[Seshmeister]

wow.

You slipped out of character there for a moment, Champ...

What's the character, fucking Yoda?

[BITEYOASS]

What's the character, fucking Yoda?

Nah, thome's character is the fucking cunt! LOL

[Diamondjimi]

This is the kind of ignorance that led to people in America paying for bombs to blow up children.

Without going into great detail or opinion I'll just list some facts you are obviously completely unaware of.

1) 'Gerry' Adams has never been a representative of the Irish parliament and has never stood for election to it. I think you are getting mixed up with the fact he is a member of the UK parliament. He was elected as a member of parliament in the early 80s. At that time it was the policy of his party to not attend the UK parliament but he was a member of it until he got beat in an election by the more moderate SDLP in 1992. He got back in again in 1997 and remains a UK MP.

2) The press conference you are talking about would have been during the period from 1988 to 1994 when the government banned politicians from parties who were in favour of violent terrorist acts from being broadcast supposedly to starve them of publicity. 11 organisations of both sides were banned including Sinn Féin. It was a stupid idea and actually increased Adams standing and profile.

This is what I was referring to.

3) Northern Ireland has always been part of a democracy. At any time Northern Ireland could have voted to join the rest of Ireland and this would have happened. The problem is that the majority of the people that live there didn't want to. If the British government had forced them to then the Irish government would have had the exact same problem except reversed whereby protestant terrorists would have been attacking them. Interestingly under freedom of information laws in Ireland you can read how the Irish government was staunchly against a reunification of Ireland in the 70s because it didn't think it could cope.

Why anyone would think that the British government would have been determined to hold onto a fractured expensive nightmare of a situation against the will of the people there that only cost piles of cash, death and misery has always kind of puzzled me. If only it had been that simple.

Thanks for enlightening me .
Still, the division of the country spawned from the "placement" of people by another country is sad. Not very different from the situation between Israel and the Palestinians.

[Nitro Express]

I thought Bono solved all of Ireland's problems.

[Seshmeister]

This is what I was referring to.




Thanks for enlightening me .
Still, the division of the country spawned from the "placement" of people by another country is sad. Not very different from the situation between Israel and the Palestinians.

There is a pattern to this that splitting up countries seems to lead to problems like Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia and so on.

I really have very little patience for either side in Northern Ireland, I think the whole thing is ludicrous fighting and discriminating over some 17th century history and slightly different versions of the same superstitions.

A big part of the problem is a significant number on both sides enjoy it, and quite a few make a decent living from it.

Personally I would have kicked the lot of them out the UK years ago and they could have had an little independent country separate from the UK and Ireland to fight in to their hearts content.

I'm actually away to Belfast this week but I'm smart enough to keep my big mouth shut when I'm there...

It's the one place where I don't talk about religion or politics in the pub.