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  • Sgt Schultz
    Commando
    • Mar 2004
    • 1270

    Small Business to ObaMARX; You are CLUELESS!

    Barry ObaMARX;
    "Most small businesses right now, if they've got enough customers to make a profit and they can get the bank loans required to boost their payroll, boost their inventory and sell to those customers, they will do so."



    Clueless in the Capital Meets Small-Business Ire: Caroline Baum Share

    Commentary by Caroline Baum

    Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- “Washington doesn’t get it.”

    That generic statement is tripping off the tongues of populists and Tea Partiers, business groups and bankers alike. In short, the public is peeved at the politicians.

    I heard it this week from William Dunkelberg, chief economist of the National Federation of Independent Business, who used his group’s latest survey to opine on Washington’s deaf ear for helping small business.

    The president and Congress “pay lip service to the fact that small business generates half of private-sector GDP and employs 60 percent or more of private-sector workers,” Dunkelberg says. As far as Washington’s efforts to help this sector of the economy, “instead of stimulus, give consumers a tax cut,” he says.

    President Barack Obama has proposed using $30 billion of repaid government bailout funds to help community banks lend to small business, part of a “jobs bill” working its way through Congress.

    Each month the NFIB tallies small-business optimism, or pessimism, which has been the dominant emotion of late. At 89.3 in January, the index is up 8.3 points from its March low, yet it’s languished under 90 for a record seven quarters. The only other time the index plumbed those depths, and for one quarter only, was during the 1980-1982 back-to-back recessions.

    The news from the nation’s growth engine is getting less bad, but it’s still far from good. Why is small business so glum?

    Cutting Econ 101

    The Right points to uncertainty over looming tax increases (aren’t death and taxes life’s two certainties?) and health-care mandates. The Left says the problem is banks aren’t lending.

    The truth is a bit of both and something more basic. Small- business owners list “poor sales” as the numero uno problem. And the jobs tax credit for hiring new workers, proposed by President Obama and embraced by Congress, won’t do much to help. Employers aren’t about to pay a new worker $40,000 to earn a $5,000 credit unless that worker generates $35,000 of revenue, Dunkelberg explains. That’s Econ 101 (see “marginal revenue product” or “profit maximization”), a course most of our elected representatives seem to have missed.

    The tax credit for hiring “has absolutely no impact on our decision-making,” says Phil Kenny, president of Trucks Unique, an Albuquerque, New Mexico, company that customizes pick-up trucks for commercial and individual purposes. “We have no tax liability to take a credit against.”

    Listening Tour

    And that’s not all. A tax credit “is not going to make me hire when we don’t have work,” says Jim Henderson, president of Dynamic Sales Co., a 44-year-old construction and industrial supply company in St. Louis with seven employees. “I plan to sell my way out of recession, not wait for Washington to help me out.”

    If Washington wants to fix a problem -- and it’s far from clear it has that ability -- the place to start is with proper analysis and diagnosis.

    Pat Felder, who co-owns Felder’s Collision Parts Inc. in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, went to the White House in October, along with members of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

    “Obama came in, talked at us, shook a few hands and left,” Felder says. “I was foolish enough to think small-business owners would have some sort of dialogue.”

    Hope Minus Audacity

    She told me yesterday what she would have told him.

    “You can’t give with one hand and take away with the other,” she says, referring to tax credits on the one hand and tax increases for those earning more than $200,000 a year on the other.

    Small-business owners aren’t going to expand when they may need the money to pay taxes next year. Maybe that’s why expectations for business conditions six months out slipped again last month, according to the NFIB.

    There is hope. The 500 survey responses (out of the total 2,100) Dunkelberg received after the Jan. 21 Massachusetts special election were more upbeat. Perhaps Scott Brown, the Republican candidate who pulled the people’s seat out from under Ted Kennedy’s Democrats, gave small business “some hope for less change,” Dunkelberg says, citing a myriad of presidential initiatives.

    What would small business like the federal government to do?

    Channeling Galt

    “Stay out of our way,” says Sherry Pymer, vice president of Pymer Plastering Inc., a 124-year-old family owned business in Columbus, Ohio. She sounded more like an Ayn Rand hero than a woman dealing with a payroll, unemployment insurance and Ohio’s commercial activity tax. “We don’t want them bailing out banks and big business. We want them to go away with their mandating and meddling and return this country to the principles it was founded on over 200 years ago.”

    We’re a long way from the Founding Fathers, that’s for sure. The handful of small-business owners I talked to across the country are about as close to the entrepreneurial spirit as it gets. They all had one implied piece of advice for Washington: Less is more. Specifically, you do less -- and get your fiscal house in order -- and we’ll do more, Henderson says.

    And as for the closing of the federal government this past week due to weather, these small-business owners had one wish: more snow.

    To contact the writer of this column: Caroline Baum in New York at cabaum@bloomberg.net.
  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35755

    #2
    Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
    We’re a long way from the Founding Fathers, that’s for sure. The handful of small-business owners I talked to across the country are about as close to the entrepreneurial spirit as it gets.
    Absolutely.

    Make slavery legal again and I could definitely make more money investing in the US.

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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10625

      #3
      Sgt Schultz....STOP!!!

      You crack me up!!!

      How dare you post a thread asking liberals to understand ECONOMICS!

      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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      • WACF
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Jan 2004
        • 2920

        #4
        Really...it would be no different than telling everyone to go out and borrow against their equity and buy TV's and cars to stimulate the economy.

        Nice idea but stupid...

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        • lesfunk
          Full Member Status

          • Jan 2004
          • 3583

          #5
          Originally posted by Seshmeister
          Absolutely.

          Make slavery legal again and I could definitely make more money investing in the US.
          You must admit, Slavery gets things accomplished!
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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35755

            #6
            Ah you are just a couple of months late for that gag.

            Pyramids 'not built by slaves' - Telegraph

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            • lesfunk
              Full Member Status

              • Jan 2004
              • 3583

              #7
              oooops
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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49567

                #8
                Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                Sgt Schultz....STOP!!!

                You crack me up!!!

                How dare you post a thread asking liberals to understand ECONOMICS!

                Well, no one is more qualified to post in a thread about not understanding economics (among other things) than you.

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                • hambon4lif
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 2810

                  #9
                  Gotta tell ya'....it's quite a fierce uppercut to the chin of the hardcore liberal slant of this board when not a damn one of 'em can refute ANY of the points made in Schultzys initial post, and have to resort to the "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" defense toward anyone who responds to it.
                  Damn!....that's just 'weak sauce'!

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                  • knuckleboner
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2927

                    #10
                    wait, so let me get this straight...the conservative mantra apparently is that tax incentives do NOT work?!

                    cause, if that's not hypocritical, then i've got a supply-side curve to sell you...

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                    • jhale667
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 20929

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Seshmeister
                      Ah you are just a couple of months late for that gag.

                      Pyramids 'not built by slaves' - Telegraph
                      Oh, just substitute "The American South" and there ya have it.
                      Originally posted by conmee
                      If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                      That is all.

                      Icon.
                      Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                      I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                      Originally posted by Isaac R.
                      Then it's really true??

                      The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                      OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                      Originally posted by eddie78
                      I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                      • Nitro Express
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 32942

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        Absolutely.

                        Make slavery legal again and I could definitely make more money investing in the US.
                        It is legal. You buy products made by slaves in the UK as do we in the US. Regardless of the brand name slapped on it, chances are high it was made at slave shop factory #5 in some human rights hell hole.
                        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32942

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WACF
                          Really...it would be no different than telling everyone to go out and borrow against their equity and buy TV's and cars to stimulate the economy.

                          Nice idea but stupid...
                          That's what got us in this mess to begin with. People were enticed to borrow more than they should have, it ballooned an unsustainable economy and it the balloon popped. Now the politicians and bankers are trying to make us feel they have it all under control which they don't. The bailout is buying some time. If China cuts the loans off, the Federal Reserve will have to make up for it buy running the printing presses full steam ahead so to speak which they are. But then everyone else is too. Every other central bank is a basket case as well. Look at the Euro and the panic over Greece. The only solvent country in the EU is Germany and Japan is in the same boat we are. They bailed their banks out 20 years ago and never recovered. So the Yen, Euro, and Dollar are three of the same.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32942

                            #14
                            The DOW with hold steady at 10,000 and gold will hold steady at $1000. If gold jumps and the DOW sinks something catastrophic has happened. Why the stock market rallies when jobs are being lost in huge numbers is because all that printed out of money has to go somewhere. So it's rigged and gold is at $1,000 and ounce because people are scared. If gold hit $3000 an ounce it will be radioactive because we probably will have World War III going. LOL!
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35755

                              #15
                              Originally posted by hambon4lif
                              Gotta tell ya'....it's quite a fierce uppercut to the chin of the hardcore liberal slant of this board when not a damn one of 'em can refute ANY of the points made in Schultzys initial post, and have to resort to the "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" defense toward anyone who responds to it.
                              Damn!....that's just 'weak sauce'!
                              I'm not going to speak for the liberals but to me it didn't make a lot of sense.

                              A few anecdotes of people saying that $5k won't help them because their companies are really fucked doesn't mean much. Does that mean he should give the companies in most difficulty the full $40k? Would that not count as giving away too much money and risk propping up failing businesses that will fail anyway?

                              It depends where your margin is. If by taking on staff at the moment I would only break even why bother, but if this new scheme gives me $5k per head profit instead then it works.

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