What about the word NO doesn't Obama and Congress understand?

[BigBadBrian]

An independent inquiry found that managers at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust stopped providing safe care because they were preoccupied with government targets and cutting costs.

A kind way of saying: Death Panels.

[Seshmeister]

This hospital fucking up is a national scandal because it didn't perform the way it should not because this is what the NHS is usually like.

There are over 2000 NHS hospitals in the UK.

As you well know tens if not hundreds of thousands of people die every year in the US because of insurance problems.

[Seshmeister]

This is the diagram you need to get to grips with.

[ELVIS]

Do Japs actually drive TOYOTAS ??

[Seshmeister]

Lots.

[jhale667]

More like LIFE panel, you dumbass.

A kind way of saying: Death Panels.

Way to regurgitate another Repuke BULLSHIT talking point, BigBlandBitch. :dafinger:

Take out a loan and BUY a fucking clue already.

[BigBadBrian]

This hospital fucking up is a national scandal because it didn't perform the way it should not because this is what the NHS is usually like.

There are over 2000 NHS hospitals in the UK.

As you well know tens if not hundreds of thousands of people die every year in the US because of insurance problems.

Sesh, if you google "British NHS rationing," you literally get story after story after story....into the thousands. Most from UK sources.

I'm not saying all your hospitals, doctors or clinics are shit, or that you don't have some stellar programs, but there simply is no motive for excellence when bean counters determine which procedures, facilities, and medicines are "cost effective."

[Blackflag]

This is the diagram you need to get to grips with.

Do you really think health care is the main factor in determining life span? Everybody keeps posting this shit, and it's really pretty illogical.

[Blackflag]

For a failed system it looks pretty shit hot compared to yours.

UK heart surgeons are among the best in the world

"Among" the best? What a coincidence, I'm "among the best" internet posters in the world.

"Poland's heart surgeons are among the best in the world. "
Polish heart surgeons excel at cardiac operations - Radio Prague

"Sri Lanka as being on par with best in the world when it came to open heart surgery"
Sri Lanka BUSINESS:: Lankan heart surgeons on par with best in world

"Performing over 1,600 open-heart procedures a year, the [Columbia University] cardiac surgery section stands alone in the region and among the best in the world."
Heart Surgery

"The expertise of Bangkok Heart Hospital is among the best in the world"
Cardiac surgery Thailand Heart surgery Coronary artery bypass


So stop spamming with your "I love England" nonsense. Next you'll be searching Wiki for "among the best" rankings. Ass.

I mean, you can argue that American health care is too expensive, that it's controlled by corporations, that not enough people have access to it...fine. But you can't seriously argue that it's not the gold standard worldwide, unless you're on a 'my country is better' parade.

[thome]

I garauntee you the goverment healthplan will have a more of a... is thier life worth the money we need to spend to sustain it, worth paying for....judgement calls on especially incapacitated people who cannot speak for themselves.

Than the AMA.

Get used to it this stuff will pass the debate was over long ago.

The only thing we need to worry about is can doctors still practice privatized care for those willing to pay for thier own personal care or such as community coops that gather funds and have care seperate than that of the government.

thome, that would be me, The thome.. made a new bumpersticker.

When Doctors Are Outlawed
My Doctor Will Be A Outlaw

[PETE'S BROTHER]

it should say an outaw. nobody will spend money on a missssspled stikerr.

[ELVIS]

Well, I just read that Medicare is planning to cut reimbursement 21% across the board! That's not realistically sustainable. At present it's very difficult to get full or even partial reimbursement and the paperwork is tricky, difficult and very time consuming. On top of that, Oblahma wants to cut medicare funding...

[thome]

It's funny maybe we should better school care..lol

it should say an outaw. nobody will spend money on a missssspled stikerr.

[BigBadBrian]

Well, I just read that Medicare is planning to cut reimbursement 21% across the board!

Maybe it's to the Health Clubs and other nice ammenities (though nothing critical) that Nick was talking about.

[Seshmeister]

Do you really think health care is the main factor in determining life span? Everybody keeps posting this shit, and it's really pretty illogical.

No I'm sure it's the power of prayer...