What about the word NO doesn't Obama and Congress understand?

[Blackflag]

Purely out of interest, what do you think our human rights are?

Your rights are limitations on the government, restraining them from doing things to you.

A "right" to health care would suggest that you (or the government) would have the right to compel a doctor to treat you. Feel-good nonsense, not based in reality.

[kwame k]

It's funny how you guys support an industry that has raised premiums in some states as much as 50% in less than a year, has a history of corruption, over billing and ordering unnecessary tests to make more money off of you. All the while the standard of healthcare is dropping while costs go up.

The single biggest expense facing the backbone of this country....middle-class people and small businesses is health care.

Yet you Mental Midgets are sucking on the dick of lobbyist and the health care industry, like nobody's business.

Then again, the Mental Midgets elected Bush twice and were all for McSame and Insane. Anti-Americanism at it's finest.

[Blackflag]

The insurance companies can burn in hell. But that doesn't make it a "right."

In fact, the state or fed. could put regulations on the insurance companies' price increases without having to claim anything as a "right."

Neither republicans or democrats would oppose that. Instead, we have this constant fight over "rights" and welfare bullshit. Make insurance company increases keyed to inflation. Nobody would oppose that - not even Brian.

I wonder why they don't.

[Nickdfresh]

Your rights are limitations on the government, restraining them from doing things to you.

A "right" to health care would suggest that you (or the government) would have the right to compel a doctor to treat you. Feel-good nonsense, not based in reality.

Except in every other Western democracy...

[Sgt Schultz]

[Nickdfresh]

Can you simpletons please the retarded pics in the political cartoon section?

[binnie]

Your rights are limitations on the government, restraining them from doing things to you.

A "right" to health care would suggest that you (or the government) would have the right to compel a doctor to treat you. Feel-good nonsense, not based in reality.

So the only human right is a limitation on government?

Not the right to be a free citizen rather than a slave.

The right to education.

The right to vote.

Or the right to a fair trial?

What about the right to live in sheltered accomodation?

Are these not the fundamental things that define being 'civilised' in our society? I'm not ragging on you, I'm just trying open the issue up for discussion - why a child is born today in America or anywhere else in the Western world, what are they fundamentally entitled to? Aren't those things what define our society?

[Blackflag]

So the only human right is a limitation on government?

There are numerous rights, but they're all limitations on people doing stuff to you.

Not the right to be a free citizen rather than a slave.

You have the right to not be enslaved.

The right to education.

I admit, that's an interesting one.

The right to vote.

You have the right to not have the government prevent you from voting.

Or the right to a fair trial?

You have the right to not be prosecuted by the government unless they do so with a fair trial.

What about the right to live in sheltered accomodation?

You don't have the right to make somebody provide you with a house. Otherwise, I want to know where my free house is.

Are these not the fundamental things that define being 'civilised' in our society? I'm not ragging on you, I'm just trying open the issue up for discussion - why a child is born today in America or anywhere else in the Western world, what are they fundamentally entitled to? Aren't those things what define our society?

Well, I think those are two separate questions. What "should" be present in a civilized society is a different question from what my "rights" are.

I think a "civilized" city should have a great mass transit system. And I'd like everybody to have a stop within 15 minutes walk of where they live. I also think at least 10% of city space should be devoted to parks - minimum. That would be fucking awesome.

On the other hand, I have a right not be put in prison without a trial.

[chefcraig]

You have the right to not be prosecuted by the government unless they do so with a fair trial...On the other hand, I have a right not be put in prison without a trial.

I dunno man, I'm pretty sure that was modified somewhat by the Patriot Act. Problem is, it would likely take me my entire prison term to find where exactly the article is buried within it.

[Nickdfresh]

Know your rights!! (all three of them...)

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[Nitro Express]

Obama won by default. People were sick of eight years of Republican rule and they were sick of Hillary and her carpet bagging, opportunistic ways. Not to mention she supported the invasion of Iraq. Obama was the new guy on the block, he ran a good campaign, people got fooled and voted for him. In other words, he was the better bullshitter.

[binnie]

There are numerous rights, but they're all limitations on people doing stuff to you.




You have the right to not be enslaved.




I admit, that's an interesting one.



You have the right to not have the government prevent you from voting.




You have the right to not be prosecuted by the government unless they do so with a fair trial.



You don't have the right to make somebody provide you with a house. Otherwise, I want to know where my free house is.



Well, I think those are two separate questions. What "should" be present in a civilized society is a different question from what my "rights" are.

I think a "civilized" city should have a great mass transit system. And I'd like everybody to have a stop within 15 minutes walk of where they live. I also think at least 10% of city space should be devoted to parks - minimum. That would be fucking awesome.

On the other hand, I have a right not be put in prison without a trial.

Thanks, this got me thinking.

I think there are some fundamental differences between the US and Uk here - people on low incomes are entitled to state housing, either at low or zero rent depending on circumstances.

The difference between what 'should be' in a civilized society and what actually 'is' I found very interesting - I guess what I'm driving at here is, when a child is born into a Western society, what are it's basic rights? What does society promise to do for it? To educate, protect and allow it to live freely, I guess we all would agree. But is it not also civilized to ensure that no-one in our society will go without food, and without access to the healthcare that all other members of that society enjoy? Or is it a case of 'you're on your own Jack?'

[jacksmar]

Back on topic……..

The commie libs want abortion and it’s in the senate bill. If you’re so fucking dumb to believe abortion will taken out, you deserve to have your kid put in front of truck on I80 hoping that the truck brakes will work. Or your pregnant wife.

The senate bill is an unfunded federal mandate.
STATE SPENDING INCREASES IN MEDICAID REQUIRED BY SENATE HEALTH BILL

Alaska $39M Mont. $29M
Ariz. $217M Neb. $81M
Ark. $402M Nev. $54M
Calif. $1,428M N.H. $59M
Colo. $163M N.M. $102M
Del. $35M N.C. $599M
Fla. $909M N.D. $14M
Ga. $495M Ohio $399M
Hawaii $41M Okla. $190M
Idaho $97M Ore. $231M
Iowa $77M Pa. $1,490M
Ind. $586M S.C. $122M
Kan. $186M S.D. $33M
Ky. $199M Texas $2,749M
La. $432M Utah $58M
Md. $194M Va. $601M
Mich. $570M Wash. $311M
Miss. $136M W.Va. $132M
Mo. $836M Wyo. $25M

It’s the same old commie lib cost shifting ploy. Your taxes will go up dumbasses.

The senate bill which the shit stain prez wants to sign doesn’t have any provisions for capping costs, rationing health care for terminally fucked, it doesn’t limit the plan to basic essential needs, it doesn’t allow for group bargaining of costs by the government (which they would fuck up anyway), and as the commie libs here are so quick to point out Canada as their shining silver leaf, doesn’t allow cheaper imports of drugs to come in from Canada.

Can’t refute the facts dumb-asses. That’s what us simpletons found out when we read the fucking bill.
FBHO

[Nickdfresh]

Back on topic……..

The commie libs want abortion and it’s in the senate bill. If you’re so fucking dumb to believe abortion will taken out, you deserve to have your kid put in front of truck on I80 hoping that the truck brakes will work. Or your pregnant wife.

Don't you want the right to coerce one of those fat, Florida ho's you brag about banging, into having an abortion?

The senate bill is an unfunded federal mandate.
STATE SPENDING INCREASES IN MEDICAID REQUIRED BY SENATE HEALTH BILL

Alaska $39M Mont. $29M
Ariz. $217M Neb. $81M
Ark. $402M Nev. $54M
Calif. $1,428M N.H. $59M
Colo. $163M N.M. $102M
Del. $35M N.C. $599M
Fla. $909M N.D. $14M
Ga. $495M Ohio $399M
Hawaii $41M Okla. $190M
Idaho $97M Ore. $231M
Iowa $77M Pa. $1,490M
Ind. $586M S.C. $122M
Kan. $186M S.D. $33M
Ky. $199M Texas $2,749M
La. $432M Utah $58M
Md. $194M Va. $601M
Mich. $570M Wash. $311M
Miss. $136M W.Va. $132M
Mo. $836M Wyo. $25M

It’s the same old commie lib cost shifting ploy. Your taxes will go up dumbasses.

You mean like using bullshit numbers?

The senate bill which the shit stain prez wants to sign doesn’t have any provisions for capping costs, rationing health care for terminally fucked, it doesn’t limit the plan to basic essential needs, it doesn’t allow for group bargaining of costs by the government (which they would fuck up anyway), and as the commie libs here are so quick to point out Canada as their shining silver leaf, doesn’t allow cheaper imports of drugs to come in from Canada.

Can’t refute the facts dumb-asses. That’s what us simpletons found out when we read the fucking bill.
FBHO

We'll cap costs via death panels, my little pantie-pisser.

[BigBadBrian]

We'll cap costs via death panels, my little pantie-pisser.

Sadly, that's what it will come down to...just like Canada and the UK.