(BCE appointed) Voting official seeks terrorism guidelines

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
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don't add up. Surely if you knew how the voting process works, you could re-read and see why. For those that don't, and because I'm bored, I'll type...

How does still being registered a Republican even though you haven't been voting Republican show inaccuracy in the voting and voter registration process? You pick what party you want to be affiliated with when you register. You don't need to be affiliated with a certain party to vote for that party. The only time party comes into play with elections is when there's a primary and it isn't an open on. (that's what we call primaries where either party can vote in it, even if the parties don't match. I don't know what non-board people call it seeing how NYC deals only with closed. Just wanted to clarifiy in case some of you didn't know wtf I was talking about)

Thus, pumpkin pie, if you registered as a Republican and then started voting, we'll say Democrat, it wouldn't make a change in your registration at all. The Board of Elections does not keep a tally of what political party you vote for and we do not change your political affiliation due to what party you continually vote for. If you wish to change your political party, it is up to you to re-fill out a registration card and mark one of the lil boxes that are marked change of address, name change, or political party change.

Law differs by state, but it usually goes that any changes for political affiliation only goes into effect AFTER the November election. This is to help prevent people from switching parties to go vote in closed primaries and then switch back.

Now, reguardless that some (if not all -- it's been a while for me and Cali elections, plus technological advances happen fast) Cali counties use computer voting, you still need to sign the voter roll book. That book has your general election information in it, which includes your party affiliation. From your personality, I find it hard to swallow that you don't glance over your general info before you sign it. If you did, you would have noticed that you were still registered as a Republican.

Now, if you had made the change beforehand, which I am led to not believe since you didn't mention it in your post, then a simple call to the board asking, "what's the hold up" should do. Altho, they might ask you to fill out another card. If Cali does voter id cards (some states are changing this, like NY. My generation of voters didn't get one) you should get that in the mail about 3 weeks afterwards with your new political affiliation on it.

Therefore, it shows nothing about inaccuracy in the voting and voter registration process because you are still registered republican and have been voting otherwise.

Some valid points. However, maybe they SHOULD change your registered status based upon how you vote. That's part of why you're registered, right? So they can take polls and figure out how many of what voter are in each area? My point is that their polls can't be all that accurate, as I have been registered one way and voting the other for years, and it's unlikely I'm the only one...

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
bump cuz pumpkin pie is back and hasn't seen this yet

Awww.. ..have you come up with a nick name for me? How sweet!:D

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Keeyth
Some valid points. However, maybe they SHOULD change your registered status based upon how you vote. That's part of why you're registered, right? So they can take polls and figure out how many of what voter are in each area? My point is that their polls can't be all that accurate, as I have been registered one way and voting the other for years, and it's unlikely I'm the only one...

That's kinda illegal because they would have to keep a record of how you vote each election. Not only is it illegal, it's impossible to implement that. And what if you vote for a different party one year because you like that canidate and then go to vote in your party's primaries the next year? You can't if your state has closed primaries because now you'll be enlisted in the other party you voted for and not your original party; And you'll have to wait until after the next November election before you can change it back.

And what about those people who do not wish to be in a party. Your suggestion would have them joining any party a canidate they vote for is included in.

And what about those who join a smaller third party who doesn't regularly have a canidate of their own and list a major party's canidate in their slot? Are they now that small third party or are they a part of the major party whose canidate the smaller third party supported?

And what polls are you talking about? In all my years with the board, we never conducted one poll. Polls are more for the parties and the media to conduct. You are allowed to go into your board of elections and ask to look information up. You can also call up and ask info. If you work for a newspaper and want to do some story/study based on the number of Republican, Democrat, Independent and smaller third party voters and where they live, you can come down, sign the vistor's log, and then some poor employee will be assigned to sit and watch you as you look up your info on the system we have designed for that.

The only polls the Board of Elections is involved in are the polling sites on election day.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
That's kinda illegal because they would have to keep a record of how you vote each election. Not only is it illegal, it's impossible to implement that. And what if you vote for a different party one year because you like that canidate and then go to vote in your party's primaries the next year? You can't if your state has closed primaries because now you'll be enlisted in the other party you voted for and not your original party; And you'll have to wait until after the next November election before you can change it back.

So, if you vote one way one year, you can't vote the other the next? That doesn't make sense to me since I've been voting one way and been registered the other for years...

And what about those people who do not wish to be in a party. Your suggestion would have them joining any party a canidate they vote for is included in.

And what about those who join a smaller third party who doesn't regularly have a canidate of their own and list a major party's canidate in their slot? Are they now that small third party or are they a part of the major party whose canidate the smaller third party supported?

And what polls are you talking about? In all my years with the board, we never conducted one poll. Polls are more for the parties and the media to conduct. You are allowed to go into your board of elections and ask to look information up. You can also call up and ask info. If you work for a newspaper and want to do some story/study based on the number of Republican, Democrat, Independent and smaller third party voters and where they live, you can come down, sign the vistor's log, and then some poor employee will be assigned to sit and watch you as you look up your info on the system we have designed for that.

O.K., but as I stated, those polls must have a huge margin of error...

The only polls the Board of Elections is involved in are the polling sites on election day.

[Ally_Kat]

Maybe they do, but it's not the Board of Elections doing those polls. And besides, the first thing about polls is not to rely on them because unless you survey every person, it's inaccurant.

So, if you vote one way one year, you can't vote the other the next? That doesn't make sense to me since I've been voting one way and been registered the other for years...

what are you talking about? It's not clear. What I said was that if one is a registered Republican and then votes for a Democrat, under your system that person would automatically become a Democrat. If that person went to vote in a closed Republican primary, because that is their party they registered in originally, he/she would be turned away seeing how now that person is a Democrat.

People would change parties all the time and it would be difficult for a person to personally keep track of which party they are involved with.

And even if a Republican votes for a Democrat one year, what's saying they will vote for Democrats each election after that? The next year they may like the Republican canidate or a third-party canidate.

And which election is this going to affect? What if I'm someone who likes the Republican canidate for every other elction, but for a local election, I prefer what the Democrat canidate offers? Am I a Democrat because I voted for one canidate?

And then, because there's more, there's never just one thing you are voting for. What if on one voting session, you vote one party for this, this and this, and then another party for another section of the ticket? Or if when you go to vote judges, you end up splitting that one between parties. What party ar you in now? You voted for multiple. Do we go with which ever you voted more for? Is that an effective way of placing someone in a party? What should we tell people who don't want ot be placed into another party based on liking one canidate outside their party within a single race -- not to vote?

Your system doesn't make sense and would be difficult to nearly impossible to enforce.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Maybe they do, but it's not the Board of Elections doing those polls. And besides, the first thing about polls is not to rely on them because unless you survey every person, it's inaccurant.




what are you talking about? It's not clear. What I said was that if one is a registered Republican and then votes for a Democrat, under your system that person would automatically become a Democrat. If that person went to vote in a closed Republican primary, because that is their party they registered in originally, he/she would be turned away seeing how now that person is a Democrat.

People would change parties all the time and it would be difficult for a person to personally keep track of which party they are involved with.

And even if a Republican votes for a Democrat one year, what's saying they will vote for Democrats each election after that? The next year they may like the Republican canidate or a third-party canidate.

And which election is this going to affect? What if I'm someone who likes the Republican canidate for every other elction, but for a local election, I prefer what the Democrat canidate offers? Am I a Democrat because I voted for one canidate?

And then, because there's more, there's never just one thing you are voting for. What if on one voting session, you vote one party for this, this and this, and then another party for another section of the ticket? Or if when you go to vote judges, you end up splitting that one between parties. What party ar you in now? You voted for multiple. Do we go with which ever you voted more for? Is that an effective way of placing someone in a party? What should we tell people who don't want ot be placed into another party based on liking one canidate outside their party within a single race -- not to vote?

Your system doesn't make sense and would be difficult to nearly impossible to enforce.

I wasn't aware that I was trying to create a system. I'm just saying that , yeah, if you vote for one party, then you should be affiliated with that party, and no you would not be left out of any primaries, because as soon as you expressed an interest in voting for another party you would belong to that party. I actually don't think most people even care about which party they are affiliated with. They simply vote their conscience based upon the candidate. At least I don't worry about the party crap. We're not all as heavily invested in that much detail about the whole thing as you are babe.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Keeyth
I wasn't aware that I was trying to create a system. I'm just saying that , yeah, if you vote for one party, then you should be affiliated with that party, and no you would not be left out of any primaries, because as soon as you expressed an interest in voting for another party you would belong to that party. I actually don't think most people even care about which party they are affiliated with. They simply vote their conscience based upon the candidate. At least I don't worry about the party crap. We're not all as heavily invested in that much detail about the whole thing as you are babe.

In order to do what you want, we would need to create a system. It's impossible for all the reasons I've stated. Is it really that hard to go and fill out another card if you wish to change parties? Why must we babysit voters? People 18 and over should be able to take care of themselves.

And no, you won't be left out of a primary completely, but if you registered as a Republican and voted for a Democrat, and now are listed as a Democrat because in one election you liked the Democratic canidate better, you are left out of the party you may have more interest/agreement with and/or want ot be affiliated with.

According to your agruement of when you start expressing an interest of voting for a canidatein another party, New York would be a Republican state and not a Democratic state. We've had a Republican governor and mayor since I was in elementary school.

And if people don't really care about the party they are in, why do so many people turn out for primaries? I should be able to snooze thru that day if no one cares.

I know the details to debunk your automatic swtiching party idea because it's part of my job and what I've been trained in. While your average voter on the street may not be able to think of why it won't work, you can bet your ass that they will start a fight if they know they registeres with one party and then they are told they cannot vote in that party's primary because it's a clsoed primary and they belong to the other party.

Oh! and I completely forgot this part. Before elections happen, there's petitions to get on the ballot. Only members of a political party can sign a petition for that party. With your system, petion time will be so f'in crazy at the office because people will sign the wrong party's petition. We'll end up sitting all day in court and not workign towards the election cuz of it. Then, depending on how many signatures are thrown out due to that kaos, canidates could be denied to go on the ballot.

Basically, you're asking for a mess bigger than Florida.

It can't work and it'll never work

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
In order to do what you want, we would need to create a system. It's impossible for all the reasons I've stated. Is it really that hard to go and fill out another card if you wish to change parties? Why must we babysit voters? People 18 and over should be able to take care of themselves.

And no, you won't be left out of a primary completely, but if you registered as a Republican and voted for a Democrat, and now are listed as a Democrat because in one election you liked the Democratic canidate better, you are left out of the party you may have more interest/agreement with and/or want ot be affiliated with.

According to your agruement of when you start expressing an interest of voting for a canidatein another party, New York would be a Republican state and not a Democratic state. We've had a Republican governor and mayor since I was in elementary school.

And if people don't really care about the party they are in, why do so many people turn out for primaries? I should be able to snooze thru that day if no one cares.

I know the details to debunk your automatic swtiching party idea because it's part of my job and what I've been trained in. While your average voter on the street may not be able to think of why it won't work, you can bet your ass that they will start a fight if they know they registeres with one party and then they are told they cannot vote in that party's primary because it's a clsoed primary and they belong to the other party.

Oh! and I completely forgot this part. Before elections happen, there's petitions to get on the ballot. Only members of a political party can sign a petition for that party. With your system, petion time will be so f'in crazy at the office because people will sign the wrong party's petition. We'll end up sitting all day in court and not workign towards the election cuz of it. Then, depending on how many signatures are thrown out due to that kaos, canidates could be denied to go on the ballot.

Basically, you're asking for a mess bigger than Florida.

It can't work and it'll never work

don't vote for a party you don't want to be affiliated with, and also, in a free country, why should we have closed primaries? Why 'close' anything? It's a free country and we should be able to vote and be affiliated with whoever we want to be anytime we want to be.

[Keeyth]

P.S. It was YOUR system we have now that created the Florida mess, not mine...

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Keeyth
don't vote for a party you don't want to be affiliated with, and also, in a free country, why should we have closed primaries? Why 'close' anything? It's a free country and we should be able to vote and be affiliated with whoever we want to be anytime we want to be.

so you are supporting voting down a party line because you support the party's ideals?

What if you don't agree with a canidate that is running that year for that party? Don't vote at all because you don't generally agree with the other parties?

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Keeyth
P.S. It was YOUR system we have now that created the Florida mess, not mine...

I didn't create the system. I studied it and know the minor details of it. It's the system I work with.

And when I work for the Florida Board of Elections is when you can try to tie me to blame with that

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
so you are supporting voting down a party line because you support the party's ideals?

What if you don't agree with a canidate that is running that year for that party? Don't vote at all because you don't generally agree with the other parties?

It seems to me a party's ideals change or at least alter, with the flavor of the month candidate...

...and I say always vote your heart, for the candidate the you deem best for the future of the country/state/ or whatever you are voting for.

[Keeyth]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
I didn't create the system. I studied it and know the minor details of it. It's the system I work with.

And when I work for the Florida Board of Elections is when you can try to tie me to blame with that

So you are admitting there was some tampering going on? What IS your take on what happened in Florida exactly??

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Keeyth
So you are admitting there was some tampering going on? What IS your take on what happened in Florida exactly??

I already answered this and no, i'm not admitting anything. You're take is that thre is blame for that and that's the basis of my answer

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Keeyth
It seems to me a party's ideals change or at least alter, with the flavor of the month candidate...

what seems to you is not clear to use that work with them all the time

...and I say always vote your heart, for the candidate the you deem best for the future of the country/state/ or whatever you are voting for.

Then why bother with the changing of one's political party with whoever they vote for? That's not what you were leaning towards in your suggestions a couple of posts ago.