Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 in WA State

[Nitro Express]

The problem with gutting the system is washington is full of corrupt lawyers. Basically you take the system out of the hands of corporate lawyers and put it in the hands of corporate lawyers who work for the government. Nothing is going to change because the corporations have infiltrated Washington DC. We won't have any real reform until the lawmakers actually answer the voters instead of their corporate campaign contributors.

Basically they have been screwing us for a long time and got used to screwing us with nobody caring that much. When the public could get easy loans and had visions of getting rich overnight on .coms and real estate, nobody was watching Washington DC and nobody cared. The 90's and 00's were a drunken orgy of credit fueled excess. Now the handover has began and people are starting to watch Washington again. The politicians however are still drunk and licking each other's private parts. Maybe their hangover will start this November.

[Nitro Express]

If things get bad enough where people are dropping dead all over from a lack of healthcare, altruistic medicine will come back in the form of a black market. By that time each little group with have it's own medicine. The Mormon doctors will help the Mormons, the Jewish doctors will help the Jews, the hispanics doctors with help the hispanics. The melting pot will become divided again if the Federal government becomes so fucked it can function. The death nail could be the Federal Reserve system going broke after it hyper inflates it's dollars. Once the Feds lose their money making machine, they become just another broke state and they lose their power to buy people off and influence them. Then it truly becomes a free for all. The country will break apart with each little group taking care of their own. We might be on the tip of the US actually breaking apart if the current trend continues in Washington because people want real change and it's not happening.

It all boils down to trust and groups of people who can trust each other end up ruling the world. Groups who don't end up destroying themselves.

[Nickdfresh]

Not at is is currently written. But Obama himself, and many other Democrats have clearly stated this is just to open the door. Their ultimate goal being exactly that.

You don't know what "socialized medicine" is. Mainly, it doesn't really exist. Even the Canadian system isn't "socialized medicine," it's more like socialized insurance--which I'm all in favor for because their shouldn't be a profit motive in decisions regarding peoples' health...

[Nitro Express]

You don't know what "socialized medicine" is. Mainly, it doesn't really exist. Even the Canadian system isn't "socialized medicine," it's more like socialized insurance--which I'm all in favor for because their shouldn't be a profit motive in decisions regarding peoples' health...

I guess doctors and nurses should work for free then. I have no problem with people making a profit. We've had for profit healthcare for a long time and until the last 25 years, it worked pretty good. Now we are being price gouged and that's the problem. I can remember when health insurance was just another cost of living. In the 1980's I paid my insurance premiums and never thought twice about it because it was affordable then.

[FORD]

The only thing remotely resembling "socialized medicine" in this country would be the VA system. They have their own hospitals and all the doctors and nurses are VA employees.

That's not what is being proposed, by ANYBODY. A single payer system would make government the only insurer but it would not have any effect on any medical institutions (hospitals, clinics, etc. Apart from removing a shit load of paper work hassle from them, of course)

The current corporatist bill before Congress is the opposite of "socialism". It's actually fascism under the Mussolini definition (and that's the Italian guy, not the Alaskan dumb cunt) Government mandates you to pay a corporation.

[hideyoursheep]

Medicade and medicare also result in a HUGE amount of paperwork. .

I don't know about any of that, but if you can electronically send messages, file taxes, buy shit off of EBay etc., these muthafhukkas haven't figured out how to save a tree?

[hideyoursheep]

Yeah, comes down to two things: money and insurance fraud. Doctors won't touch a patient who they consider to be a liability risk to them if they know they go to several clinics looking for medical care only to file a suit against them later on for what the patient considers to be inadequate treatment.This is why they ask for I.D. prior to them seeing you so they can run a background check And there is no way a doctor will even give you a head nod for treatment if you walked into a emergency room with a severed limb unless you had an insurance carrier or several greenbacks in hand.

Actually, I think it might have to do with having too many patients, and not enough tee time.

I mean, when was the last time you went to your appointment on time, and the fucking doctor was on time?

For me, it was the eye doctor....yeah...I need glasses now...fuck...

[Blackflag]

Yeah, comes down to two things: money and insurance fraud. Doctors won't touch a patient who they consider to be a liability risk to them if they know they go to several clinics looking for medical care only to file a suit against them later on for what the patient considers to be inadequate treatment.This is why they ask for I.D. prior to them seeing you so they can run a background check And there is no way a doctor will even give you a head nod for treatment if you walked into a emergency room with a severed limb unless you had an insurance carrier or several greenbacks in hand.

The days of altruistic medicine are long over. I can understand physicians wanting to protect their ass from libel suits with the outrageous malpractice fees they pay when a suit can be brought before them for anything but to refuse the sick, the desperate and under or non-insured at all disgust me. Health care in this country is going to turn into a divided social structure of the haves and the totally fucked if the insurance corporations and the politicians they bought have placed in their back pocket keep on running it into the ground. This is why all the teabaggers and their unfounded paranoia of government control of health care piss me off. The whole system needs to gutted and revamped from both sides otherwise this might be a good time to go cynical and start investing into the funeral business for the mortality rate in this country is going to soar for those who can't afford to see a physician.

That doctor is a man. And that man can choose to deal with you or not, and he is free to work at any rate he'd like. If my car breaks down, and some dickhead mechanic will fix my car for more than I can afford - I guess I'm walking. Because I don't expect anybody to force the mechanic to fix my car, or pay the repair bill for me. If you want "altruism," go to church.

And everybody has to be on the lookout for "libel suits" at the rate I'm using the word "cunt" these days.

[Nickdfresh]

I guess doctors and nurses should work for free then. I have no problem with people making a profit. We've had for profit healthcare for a long time and until the last 25 years....

Which part of my post didn't you understand? I said the medical side should (like in Canada) SHOULD be for profit. I said INSURANCE should be strictly controlled by the goverB'erment...

Learn to read, been-everywhere-and-done-everything....

[Nickdfresh]

That doctor is a man. And that man can choose to deal with you or not, and he is free to work at any rate he'd like.

Right. If he doesn't like the rate, then quit and sell insurance or something...

If my car breaks down, and some dickhead mechanic will fix my car for more than I can afford - I guess I'm walking. Because I don't expect anybody to force the mechanic to fix my car, or pay the repair bill for me. If you want "altruism," go to church.

No one asked you to own a car, dummy. You didn't have a choice on being born...

And everybody has to be on the lookout for "libel suits" at the rate I'm using the word "cunt" these days.

Well, you can't sue yourself. can you?

[Nitro Express]

Actually, I think it might have to do with having too many patients, and not enough tee time.

I mean, when was the last time you went to your appointment on time, and the fucking doctor was on time?

For me, it was the eye doctor....yeah...I need glasses now...fuck...

The last time I went to the doctor he fondled my balls and stuck his finger up my ass. I stopped going. Then I keep getting notices he wants to see me again. Doctors are perverts.

[Blackflag]

Right. If he doesn't like the rate, then quit and sell insurance or something...

I think that's right, actually. I think if you regulate the insurance prices so that the market can set a fair price, then he can either take it or leave it. They'll either take a good, profitable salary, or we'll all die.

But forcing people to buy private insurance, and making the government pay for private insurance if you can't - that just has the opposite effect. It incentivizes companies to raise their rates. Fucking ridiculous.

No one asked you to own a car, dummy. You didn't have a choice on being born...

Because I was born, you're responsible for me? How heartwarming. (And bullshit.)

Well, you can't sue yourself. can you?

If I could, I'd be balls-out rich by now. I would've sued the fuck out of myself until it hurt.

(I was making fun of her use of libel. I think she meant malpractice.)

[Blackflag]

The last time I went to the doctor he fondled my balls and stuck his finger up my ass. I stopped going. Then I keep getting notices he wants to see me again. Doctors are perverts.

"Do you like gladiator movies, Nitro?"

[PETE'S BROTHER]

That doctor is a man. And that man can choose to deal with you or not, and he is free to work at any rate he'd like. If my car breaks down, and some dickhead mechanic will fix my car for more than I can afford - I guess I'm walking. Because I don't expect anybody to force the mechanic to fix my car, or pay the repair bill for me. If you want "altruism," go to church.

And everybody has to be on the lookout for "libel suits" at the rate I'm using the word "cunt" these days.

your car breakin' down ain't gonna kill ya and leave your family alone.

[Blackflag]

So what?