The "crazies" in the Tea Party Movement are...

[Unchainme]

I don't find it fair that immediately those that take part of in one of these tea party rallies are automatically construed as bigots and racists.

Mis-informed? I believe a good portion of them are, yes. And frankly I think it's a bit extreme to parade around with "Obama=Hitler" really kills a lot of credibility that these folks have. But I think what it boils down to, is that these people are fearful of becoming what they think is a socialist country and having to pay outrageous taxes, and I guess they in a way feel that the government has marginalized their voice to the point of almost being non-existent to a degree.

And frankly, I do agree with them on that much, I feel that the government and the big businesses of the world are pretty much butt buddies and giving the American people the middle finger, we can argue all day and all night which side of that relationship is hurting America more, but bottom line, we're the ones getting screwed, while the other two sides just keep increasing in size suffocating us more and more.

The health care bill is a great example of this. I felt that we as a people had very little say on what went into it, and rather than just go into the facts or going with what worked has worked across the globe we witnessed a circus on both sides of the aisle. Sob Stories to the left and to the right, and then the media on both sides (fox and msnbc) just shoving bias pieces of propaganda on why each side wants to screw the american public.

Things need to change, period.

[kwame k]

Excellent post, bro.

[kwame k]

LOL! Exactly!

Actually, I think infidelity is even more effective than starting bullshit wars in other countrys as far as diverting the peoples attention. Think about what JFK could've gotten away with while everyone else was too busy speculating whether or not he was bangin' Marilyn Monroe....that would've been a prime time to pull some heinous shit politically, and nobody would've been the wiser.

Looking at Hillary, you would understand why Bill would fuck a hole in a donut! But more people remember him doing Gennifer Flowers and that bubble-head Monica than they do NAFTA, deregulations, or anything else he did during his presidency.
I hate to slam the collective intelligence of this country, but damnit it WORKED! So much so that we re-elected the fucker.

I'm telling ya' the truth here.....the reason Obama is under such a microscope is simply because he doesn't have an extracurricular lovelife for people to get caught up in. He has yet to be caught for goddamn jaywalking......I find it really bizarre!
One thing Chicago politicians are known for is that they're such honest, truthful, solid, upstanding individuals.

He really needs a scandal going on to distract his haters. The majority of them have the 'US Weekly/People magazine' level of intelligence anyway....

....it's sad that we need a more immoral President

[jhale667]

That was indeed an excellent post, but BigBlandBrie needs to read THIS part again (as Kwame mentioned) S-L-O-W-L-Y.

.... And frankly I think it's a bit extreme to parade around with "Obama=Hitler" really kills a lot of credibility that these folks have.

Oh wait - Brie never had any credibility...

[kwame k]

[knuckleboner]

I don't find it fair that immediately those that take part of in one of these tea party rallies are automatically construed as bigots and racists.

Mis-informed? I believe a good portion of them are, yes. And frankly I think it's a bit extreme to parade around with "Obama=Hitler" really kills a lot of credibility that these folks have. But I think what it boils down to, is that these people are fearful of becoming what they think is a socialist country and having to pay outrageous taxes, and I guess they in a way feel that the government has marginalized their voice to the point of almost being non-existent to a degree.

And frankly, I do agree with them on that much, I feel that the government and the big businesses of the world are pretty much butt buddies and giving the American people the middle finger, we can argue all day and all night which side of that relationship is hurting America more, but bottom line, we're the ones getting screwed, while the other two sides just keep increasing in size suffocating us more and more.

The health care bill is a great example of this. I felt that we as a people had very little say on what went into it, and rather than just go into the facts or going with what worked has worked across the globe we witnessed a circus on both sides of the aisle. Sob Stories to the left and to the right, and then the media on both sides (fox and msnbc) just shoving bias pieces of propaganda on why each side wants to screw the american public.

Things need to change, period.

but that's the thing, these people are delusional. they think they're not being listened to, but that's because they haven't been involved. the fact is that the bush administration did not help their agenda, by any means. increased deficits, increased government spending. tax cuts, but disproportionately for the more wealthy. yet they either voted for bush, or shrugged their shoulders.

then, we have an election in 2008. and i guantee you the vast majority of tea party attendees did not vote for democrats. so they SAY that they're not being listened to, but what it really means is that the candidate that they voted for (if they voted) didn't win. george bush and i didn't see eye to eye on a lot of policy issues, but i never claimed disenfranchised because he won. it's the political process. i knew my voice was heard as a dissenting vote in 2004, and that i'd have another opportunity in 2006 and to a greater extent, 2008.

the ludicriousness of the tea party belief is evident right in their name. Taxed Enough Already. umm...do they know that for 99.9% of them, taxes are LOWER under the obama administration than under bush? do they know that taxes are at a fairly low historical rate? no. because they see democrats spending money (after ignoring republicans spending money) and they get worried. they're largely irrational.

now, mind you, i am NOT saying that opposition to obama or the democrats is in any way irrational. but most tea party people (who i do NOT believe actually represent the majority of dissentors) are clearly irrational.

[Blackflag]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36528044

NYT: "Tea party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public,"

[sadaist]

Where the fuck were you people when Bush invaded a sovereign nation under the pretext of WMD's

We were reading United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441. And all of the previous resolutions, while thinking to ourselves what an idiot Saddam was for not complying with the international community.

"a United Nations Security Council resolution adopted unanimously by the United Nations Security Council on November 8, 2002, offering Iraq under Saddam Hussein "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations" that had been set out in several previous resolutions (Resolution 660, Resolution 661, Resolution 678, Resolution 686, Resolution 687, Resolution 688, Resolution 707, Resolution 715, Resolution 986, and Resolution 1284). [1]

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by its troops during the 1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

Saddam had more than enough opportunities to avoid the war.

You had power and lost it because you ran this country into the ground, get the fuck over it!

I hope you won't mind when we post this very exact sentence to you after November.

[hideyoursheep]

What "disarmament obligations" did Iraq have, sadaist?

If you want to drag a useless example of an excuse into the argument of invading, be prepared to discuss why the US DID NOT listen to the UNs' reasons NOT to invade.

But since you brought it up, the case could have been made for an invasion 1 month after the Gulf War, as Saddam blatantly violated resolutions within the confines of his own borders against his own people. Old man Bush could have given a shit less. This country wouldn't have stood still for it. It took his son to cook up some sort of fear against Iraq amid the paranoia of 9/11, saying he had some sort of non-existing nuclear program, even after Sec. of State Colin Powell admitted publicly in Feb. 01 that Iraq was no longer a threat. And he wasn't.

[hideyoursheep]

Is there a shit-stirrer emoticon for Big Bad Brain Drain's post we can use?

[hideyoursheep]

NYT: "Tea party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public,"

More well educated?



Than who? The "God Hates Fags" inbreds?

[BigBadBrian]

speaking from a little bit of experience, the people directly associated with the tea party movement are far more likely to be nuts than the average person.

How many of those people do you know? They're crazy because they want lower taxes and more of an input into Washington...or that they are protesting your boy's policies?

[BigBadBrian]

More well educated?



Than who? The "God Hates Fags" inbreds?

Hey, leave your family out of this discussion!

[BigBadBrian]

Reread the second paragraph and get back to me........read it v.....e....r....y s...l...o...w...l....y.

No, I think you need to read your own quote again, Mensa.

[BigBadBrian]

now, mind you, i am NOT saying that opposition to obama or the democrats is in any way irrational.

Yes you are.

but most tea party people (who i do NOT believe actually represent the majority of dissentors) are clearly irrational.

You're painting with a rather broad brush, kb. Again, you don't know many, if any at all, of these people. The Dems are getting themselves into hot water when they start marginalizing Joe Sixpack's right to dissent.